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  • Adam, TKG... I'm here, and currently being racked by the fence...

    Lucky's comment actually drove in an interesting point for me... the P4 was originally rather extreme (or painted that way) but are now showing more moderate views which, to me, is why they've been inspired by the recent idea to offer a merge to us... from the political compas I'm almost as extreme a Libertarian as one can get... a few social issues notwithstanding, but economically I've always preferred the laize faire attitude...

    One reason I've always been friendly with Pandemoniak and the rest of the CCCP, however, even with my feelings of economics being more in line with Free Market... I can see the failings in both systems... equality is a nice ideal... but neither one is going to give the world equality once and for all.

    Anyway, I've begun to rant... I'm going to sit back and see if the CDC responds, and also hear out GT's thoughts, before I make up my mind one way or another... because as I said... I'm being racked by the fence currently...

    I did, however, like the 3D idea for a name if this does go through... but I'll also need some kind of an organizational thread or chat or something prior to the merge for us to actually hammer out a future political stance before we actually commit to the merge. A common ground may not be found after all, simply because on the surface we're seeing common issues doesn't mean they'll stay common or that others won't creep up.
    I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

    Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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    • Originally posted by AdamTG02
      1) We have a lot in common with the P4, but there are issues of disagreement. P4 supports a beeline to Industrial Automation and extensive use of crawlers. I've never seen a crawler fleet used to the extent that it sounds like is normal in a multiplayer game, so I'm less enthusiastic about crawlers and don't see the need to beeline to them and neglect other techs. The EDP doesn't yet have a formal position on technology, but in general we favor Explore and Discover techs over the others -- and beelining to Automation means focusing to a great extent on Build.
      If I may, I have an example on this one.

      In the "Race to Transcendence" game I'm a part of right now, I as the UoP have 27 active Crawlers, with 2 in production, Darsnan's Gaians have 24 with 4 in production, and smhfan's Believers have 59, with 14 in production. smhfan's much larger landmass can and should be considered the only reason he has more. My rather small island can only support so many at the moment. I still have some more colonizing to go though, which should bring me up to the levels smh has. However, he hasn't got his bases fully crawlered yet, and by Doc. AP and MMI I expect he'll have 125~150 total. He used to have more than he does rightnow, but he used a large number of them to Instabuild (ie. Rush build in 1 turn using only crawler rushing.) the PTT out from under me a few turns ago. (As a side note, doing that pushed all his size 1 and 2 bases up to size 3, more than doubling his pop, and doubling the size of his power graph.)

      Most of the crawlers are being used on forest or mine/rocky/road tiles. Using 5 crawlers at my HQ (And being lucky enough to have a Min bonus on a Rocky.), I've had that base at over 30 minerals a turn, and popping approx. every 3rd turn. (Thank heavens for trance and forest growth. It's doing lovely things for my clean mineral limits I must say.)

      Compare that to a normal size 5 base, which would normally produce..what...10~12 minerals a turn, depending on terrain and terraforming?
      Last edited by Archaic; September 5, 2002, 01:41.
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      • I must read our first posts in the P4 thread because everone thnks the P4 is militaristic and extreme.... i always saw myself as calm and builder like
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        • Likewise. Even if I'm not all that calm in debates, the P4 has been as peaceful as any other in its game plan. Is it because we acknowledge that we need to be prepared for combat and consider war an option?
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          • an not heated response for archaic J/k but i agree with him with his question why do you ALL (?) think that?
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            Welcome to the DBTSverse!
            God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
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            • What year were you at that moment in the game you described, Archaic?

              Read the CDC thread for my lastest post on a possible merging. If we merge, I would also support TKG as chairman. I believe I'm not "popular" enough, certainly not now with my rather aggressive discussion methods.
              Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
              Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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              • probably the more, gung-ho approach to debates would be my guess...
                I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                • Gung-ho? What did that mean again? I remember reading it somewhere, but I've forgotten what it meant exactly.
                  Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                  Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                  • I'll do my best to define:

                    gung-ho: overly zealous.

                    Also, however, I've done some further thinking on the matter... I'd like to officially support the idea for a merger on the condition that prior to making the merger official we will have a party organizational meeting that defines the goals, etc. of the party prior to either the P4 or EDP being dissolved into 3D.
                    I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                    Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                    • Overly zealous... I'd say I just try to get my point across as good as possible.
                      Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                      Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                      • IRC meeting and amended voting schedule

                        The original deadline I set for the vote was four days, which comes to 7:00 pm EST Saturday.

                        Given the interest in an IRC meeting, which would probably take place on Saturday, I'd like to extend that to 7:00 pm Sunday (EST, or 2:00 pm GMT). That gives everyone time to attend the meeting and sleep on it before making up theikr mind.

                        If anyone objects to the change, I'll keep the original deadline, but I think this should be better for those who want to gather information before making up their minds.

                        As for a time for the IRC meeting... I can really do anytime Saturday from 10:00 am (5:00 am GMT) to 12:00 pm (7:00 pm GMT). My preferred time is 2:00 pm EST (9:00 am GMT). What times work for all of you?
                        Adam T. Gieseler

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                        • Say 10.00 GMT to 23.00 GMT. In other words, I probably wouldn't be able to attend it.
                          Last edited by Maniac; September 5, 2002, 13:32.
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                          • Likewise, I have other commitments IRL that will prevent me from attending the meeting. If there's anything you need me for, send me an email about it and I'll see what I can do.

                            The current game year is 2178 Maniac. However, I'd like to note that my Crawler production has been stunted due to my small landmass (ie. I don't have enough room for the crawlers. ^^;; ), and I believe Darsnan's has been stunted as well for some reason.
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                            • That's why I suggested a thread, Adam... I know I wouldn't be able to attend any kind of meeting.
                              I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                              Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                              • Perhaps a temp. mailing list, so we can keep these discussions private from the other people here who aren't involved?
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