A call to arms! (Save our Demo Game!)

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
Con, welcome

Obstructor - Re: Some of my Hive team - of course they are trying to bog this down in talks - but there's no time left to talk. Unless the Hive strikes now against the Drones, then the Uni is GONE next turn. Powerful as CPU is, the Drone attack already has captured 4(5?) bases. If Voltaire can say "oh we can talk about this later" that is dooming the CPU to a quick death. If he does the unthinkable and attacks the CPU too... well, shame on him. He can override any vote or poll and make a descicion on his own.

If you beleive, then pray to Tassadar or GooglieGod. Tonight even I'm going to offer up a quick one.

-Jam

Yes, and I’m just in the habit of doing that, overriding the democratic decisions of the Hive. I would not be in power as long as I have been if that was the case, I have always followed the opinion of the Hive, the Hive leads and I follow, not vice versa. And in this situation I’m afraid that your opinions are not in line with those of the Hive.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Jamski


Voltaire just posted this in the private forum.

We're all doomed, it seems. Good luck CPU.

Jamski I am so disappointed with you. Of all the person. You are the least person I would think that would do this. And you claim that you are here to improve relations among people. Would you like me to root through our private forum and find some posts of yours talking about backstabbing CCs?

I have not expected that you would be such person that would deliberately do things that you know will hurt people.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
Ok, you have a point, but Voltaire can override any poll we make. Its in the "constitution".

I shall be so ashamed of my faction if they vote to fight against the CPU. Of the faction and of the members.

-Jam

But I wont.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
Voltaire just posted this in the private forum.

...I have nothing to say.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Voltaire
this is not helping your cause.

That is for sure. I have been willing to think about it. But what Jamski just did has smashed the last chance that I would side with him.

There is once this person who talks about honors and sportsmanship. Where is that person now?

[Jamski]

If you are referring to me, yes I have the bad habit of not able to shut up. And I admit that I am not always right. But I will not hesitate to admit if it turns out that I was wrong. And I try to think and talk to others before I vote so that I don't make the wrong decision.

And that is why I count your vote more highly than that of any other. If we lose this vote 15 to 2 and one of the 2 is yours, then it was worth all the trouble.

You know what Jamski, this is completely out of line. You’re talking to other factions about internal Hive matters, I tolerate a lot and this as well, but frankly it is your fellow Hivers you should be trying to convince not the other factions. I for one an rather insulted you have tried to bully and pressure us into a decision of your liking by making this a public discussion, this is not helping your cause.

Me see dissent. Me stand on dissent.

The reason I'm doing this is so that the other human factions know exactly where we stand and where they stand. I've had enough of the dishonesty and so on.

And to be frank, it won't matter because if you do decide to do as the Drones wish and attack the CPU there won't BE an ACDG anymore. If that's what you want, then fine, but why not simply say so?

This, Voltaire, is your chance to be the leader you always wanted to be. This is your chance to stand up and say "I am an man. I was wrong. I shall lead the Hive against our common enemy."
Then we would respect you for it.

Now you want the proud and glorious Hive to simply be the dog that tries to eat the scraps Buster drops. How noble. For all your talk of honesty and brotherhood you have done nothing more than turn the Hive into Buster's dog. Of course people like being the friend of the playground bully, its better than getting kicked in the head every day, but NOW is the last chance that we can all get together and show the bullies that we actually do have spines.

-Jam

[Jamski]

There is once this person who talks about honors and sportsmanship. Where is that person now?

He is openly betraying his faction to the people of Chiron. Now, if you are not for this cause, if you are not for fighting the Drones with every last mineral, nutrient and energy credit, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE, all you can do is go and pick the crumbs left over by the Drones and slap each other on the back and say
"Oh we played so well and won the ACDG"

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by HongHu
What I don't get is what's the big difference between Drones-PUT war and CC-PEACE war?

As far as the forumlinks (datalinks) show me, it was announced. (PEACE-CPU war, I mean). Besides, I'm born in that war, I could have easily been in a Pirate's shoes at this time, if Herc didn't authorize sooner.

For the first Drone attack on PUT:

When we agreed an unification with PUT, and could see the turn, a needlejet was hanging near an empty base and a transport foil was close to the coast. We bluffed Buster out then. That attack was as well without warning. Nowhere in the forum was a message to be found about a war declaration against PUT. This time... well, I wonder how long Hive new of those plans in advance.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
The reason I'm doing this is so that the other human factions know exactly where we stand and where they stand. I've had enough of the dishonesty and so on.

Except it is not up to you to decide what the team will do. You call our to democracy when it is to your advantage, and you blatantly trample over it when the people disagree with you.

Originally posted by Jamski
And to be frank, it won't matter because if you do decide to do as the Drones wish and attack the CPU there won't BE an ACDG anymore. If that's what you want, then fine, but why not simply say so?

What I want does not matter, what the Hive wants is what matters. When the Hive makes a decision, which it has not, I will be more than happy to share that decision with everyone, but for now no such decision has been made.

Originally posted by Jamski
This, Voltaire, is your chance to be the leader you always wanted to be. This is your chance to stand up and say "I am an man. I was wrong. I shall lead the Hive against our common enemy."
Then we would respect you for it.

Don't patronize me.

Originally posted by Jamski
Now you want the proud and glorious Hive to simply be the dog that tries to eat the scraps Buster drops. How noble. For all your talk of honesty and brotherhood you have done nothing more than turn the Hive into Buster's dog. Of course people like being the friend of the playground bully, its better than getting kicked in the head every day, but NOW is the last chance that we can all get together and show the bullies that we actually do have spines.

Everyone in the Hive knows that your words are mere sophistry and no substance. You may want to try actual rational argument next time if you want to be successful.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
He is openly betraying his faction to the people of Chiron. Now, if you are not for this cause, if you are not for fighting the Drones with every last mineral, nutrient and energy credit, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE, all you can do is go and pick the crumbs left over by the Drones and slap each other on the back and say
"Oh we played so well and won the ACDG"

-Jam

That was rude and inappropriate.

[GeoModder]

A comment to Voltaire:

At this time a small minority of players that started an attack against PEACE are among the active players of CPU. You stare yourself blind on the comments in the public forum from what you appearantly consider your adversaries on the beginning of this game.

Those are just doing that ATM: roleplaying.
The CPU decisions are executed by relatively newcomers from which it is probably the first time you meet them.

[Jamski]

This time... well, I wonder how long Hive new of those plans in advance.

At least a few turns.

That was rude and inappropriate.

No, the truth has hit home. You always respond like this when a shot goes close to the bone.

Voltaire - its ok to change your mind, you won't look stupid.

Please. I love this ACDG, and if the Hive joins this dogpile on the CPU the game will already come to an end. And it will end and I will only be able to watch, and even worse, the faction I love will be the faction to blame.

Please. I can't ask anymore, I'm tired. Please for the sake of the game.

-Jam

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Jamski
No, the truth has hit home. You always respond like this when a shot goes close to the bone.

No, I say that when you do something rude and inappropriate.

Originally posted by Jamski
Voltaire - its ok to change your mind, you won't look stupid.

Jamski, I'll change my mind when you give me a good reason to change my mind. To change ones opinions with no good reason at all, that is stupid.

Originally posted by Jamski
Please. I love this ACDG, and if the Hive joins this dogpile on the CPU the game will already come to an end. And it will end and I will only be able to watch, and even worse, the faction I love will be the faction to blame.

You will not change the minds of your fellow team mates with these methods, if you wanted to change our policy you should have brought up rational arguments for you cause and put it to the people rather than just loading a bunch of rhetoric with emotional language and launching it at us.

Originally posted by Jamski
Please. I can't ask anymore, I'm tired. Please for the sake of the game.

Not an argument Jamski, you should know very well that I, as well as many others, do no respond to that kind of sophistry. If you want to convince us provide rational arguments.

[Jamski]

Ok, here's a "rational" argument.

If you want to end the game right now, attack CPU, they'll quit and the game has gone from interesting to dead in one turn cycle. Then you can bask in the praise that the Hive gets from the other factions for playing so well.

Or vote to try to save the CPU creating an interesting endgame situation which could go either way, and earn the praise of the other factions for standing up for good players, not just good playing.

Anyway, its up to you.

-Jam

[Nubclear]

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