A call to arms! (Save our Demo Game!)

[foolish_icarus]

Jamski you've done it again

It's Great!

keep this in perspective...

[Snowflake]

Finally some honorable spirit there. No matter if you will be our friend of foe, ally or rival, you will be respected.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by HongHu
Hmmm. First are you saying you believe wars are unhonorable? So will you be against all wars? Even the war that Jamski is promoting against the Drones? I'm seriously asking this question. For I for one, will support any effort to prevent all war in this planet. I understand this will diminish the interest of a large portion of this game, but as I said before, I personally will embrace the concept of a no war peaceful development and competition.

Yes. I am a pacifist. Perhaps I should start a party in CPU, since I believe many will support me.

Ok other small points that needs to be cleared.
First I always check my PM very carefully. Why do you feel I have not done so and by not doing so somehow hinted the talks between you and peace?

Haven`t you said in a thread somewhere here, that you didn`t perceive our 8 point peace program as official one?

Second, I was not sure if you ARE accusing the Drones' of cheating?

No, ofcourse not!

Third, I thought it was you who offered non roleplaying as one reason against the Drones, not the Drones offered rolyplay as the reason they attack you? Not sure you misread, or misunderstood, or was simply trying to shift attention.

It was Jamski who offered it first, as he said, ACDG being beat by a single man.

Fourth, I thought it was clear that those opinions of mine was responding to your post, instead of Jamski's initial post. I was actually a little moved by his and Impaler's post btw. And those got me thinking. But I really do want to say something in respond to your post too. I apologize if it was not clear before.

As for personal feelings, I thought I've seen plenty. We are humans after all. Who doesn't have personal feelings? Personal feelings are not some bad thing. If you don't see them, I really feel for you.

Voltaires are only one to see, all others I preceive as roleplying.

[Jamski]

Hey. Don't spam the call-up-to-the-glorious-crusade thread with "you did this" and "they said that"

Fact : The Drones (the most powerful faction) have attacked CPU for no reason, without warning, etc.

Fact : The Drones expect that the Hive join this attack

Fact : There already exists a state of war between CPU and Drone

The question is very simple. Do we unite to save the ACDG factions, or do we either sit by and do nothing, or even worse, help the Drones to kill off this game?

By my understanding, even if all us other factions band together vs the Drones, it will JUST be a fair fight. We may still lose, but at least we'll lose side by side, fighting for the SPIRIT of the ACDG, against Buster's one-man-says-zip crap.

So, are you with me, or shall we all say "Ok, Buster won, next game" ?

Stand up and fight goddamit - to my own Comrades as much as to our brothers and sisters in the PEACE and CPU.

-Jam, for you.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Jamski
Hey. Don't spam the call-up-to-the-glorious-crusade thread with "you did this" and "they said that"

Fact : The Drones (the most powerful faction) have attacked CPU for no reason, without warning, etc.

Fact : The Drones expect that the Hive join this attack

Fact : There already exists a state of war between CPU and Drone

The question is very simple. Do we unite to save the ACDG factions, or do we either sit by and do nothing, or even worse, help the Drones to kill off this game?

By my understanding, even if all us other factions band together vs the Drones, it will JUST be a fair fight. We may still lose, but at least we'll lose side by side, fighting for the SPIRIT of the ACDG, against Buster's one-man-says-zip crap.

So, are you with me, or shall we all say "Ok, Buster won, next game" ?

Stand up and fight goddamit - to my own Comrades as much as to our brothers and sisters in the PEACE and CPU.

-Jam, for you.

I am supporting you, but your fellow Hiverians are bent or turning this into spam. I am fully for this Jam.

[conmcb25]

Jamski

The nOOb is with you, I have applied for membership to the Hive.

The Drones must be stopped! (because Skanky says they smell bad)

[Jamski]

Con, welcome

Obstructor - Re: Some of my Hive team - of course they are trying to bog this down in talks - but there's no time left to talk. Unless the Hive strikes now against the Drones, then the Uni is GONE next turn. Powerful as CPU is, the Drone attack already has captured 4(5?) bases. If Voltaire can say "oh we can talk about this later" that is dooming the CPU to a quick death. If he does the unthinkable and attacks the CPU too... well, shame on him. He can override any vote or poll and make a descicion on his own.

If you beleive, then pray to Tassadar or GooglieGod. Tonight even I'm going to offer up a quick one.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Please don't try to imply here that it is Voltaire who overrides any vote or poll Jamski. I value your spirit of fighting and your devotion toward friends. Please do not ruin that by trying to lie and shift blame to other people. Voltaire has not overide any poll. If the Hive breaks up war against the CPU, it is because the Hive as a team decides this, not because Voltaire overrides anything. If the Hive decides not to go to war against the CPU, it will also be the decision of the team. Yes we've had polls and you are well aware of the result. If you fail to convince your teamates, be a man and take that result. Don't try to look good in others eyes by implying something that has not happened.

We can always joke about me loving you for your inconsistancy but I am serious about being brave and truthful.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by HongHu
Did Drones betray you? Did they have a secret arrangement of pact or something with you that the others are not aware of and they backstabbed you? I did think that buster posted his declaration of war in the turn thread. How else would you know that the Drones are at war with you without getting the turn otherwise?

Buster didn't send a declaration of war when he attacked PUT the first time. If the unification didn't went through at that time, PUT would be history now, and Drones twice as strong.

And you're right, we only assume we're at war, because of Busters' message. Hive knows for sure, off course, since the turn is with you.

Are you saying that Buster has a bad sence of humour?

[Jamski]

Ok, you have a point, but Voltaire can override any poll we make. Its in the "constitution".

I shall be so ashamed of my faction if they vote to fight against the CPU. Of the faction and of the members.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by obstructor

Yes. I am a pacifist. Perhaps I should start a party in CPU, since I believe many will support me.

I imagine there might not be another multi team/party game after this. But if there would be one I would join your team/party.

Haven`t you said in a thread somewhere here, that you didn`t perceive our 8 point peace program as official one?

It was not sent to me. I also didn't have the impression that it was a copy of the CPU-PEACE settlement when I read it in the Hive forum. But I failed to locate it when I tried to go back for another look.

It was Jamski who offered it first, as he said, ACDG being beat by a single man.

Ok so we are clear that the Drones had not made that accusation. I will disregard your comment about this then.

Voltaires are only one to see, all others I preceive as roleplying.

I must make a clarification. The post of Voltaire you are referenced to I believe is because I have told my teamates that I have received negative feedbacks from CPU member that they didn't perceive our roleplay as simple roleplay. It is good to hear that others in CPU are reading us differently.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by GeoModder


Buster didn't send a declaration of war when he attacked PUT the first time. If the unification didn't went through at that time, PUT would be history now, and Drones twice as strong.

And you're right, we only assume we're at war, because of Busters' message. Hive knows for sure, off course, since the turn is with you.

Are you saying that Buster has a bad sence of humour?

I'm not saying anything about Buster and sense of humour.

What I don't get is what's the big difference between Drones-PUT war and CC-PEACE war?

[Jamski]

I’d like to make this clear if it wasn’t already before, so long as I am Chairman we will not back out of the permipact with the Drones, I made a promise to Buster and the Drones as a whole that this will be the way things are. As HongHu has pointed out the Drones have been honorable and loyal to the permipact and to us, they have given us no cause to break of relations with them, let alone attack them.

Everyone should understand that this is a game, and games are played in part to win. Yes friendship is involved and I know very well all of us have become close to other players in this game on our own teams and on other teams, but we have a duty and responsibility to the Hive itself, the team we have joined, to do what is in its best interest, and IMO sticking with the Drones is in our best interest. We agreed from the start to work together until the end and share victory, I see no reason to back out of that.

As for the CyCon, I feel no great love toward them that I should be swayed by your appeals to emotion Jamski. They have done many things which I considered insensitive at best, the attack and desire to eliminate PEACE being one of them.

Voltaire just posted this in the private forum.

We're all doomed, it seems. Good luck CPU.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Jamski
Ok, you have a point, but Voltaire can override any poll we make. Its in the "constitution".

I shall be so ashamed of my faction if they vote to fight against the CPU. Of the faction and of the members.

-Jam

Thanks Jamski. I know you are a real man that are not afraid to admit it if he makes a mistake. We may vote to fight against or not fight against the faction. But I am not aware of any polls regarding fighting with any members.

If you are referring to me, yes I have the bad habit of not able to shut up. And I admit that I am not always right. But I will not hesitate to admit if it turns out that I was wrong. And I try to think and talk to others before I vote so that I don't make the wrong decision.

[Voltaire]

You know what Jamski, this is completely out of line. You’re talking to other factions about internal Hive matters, I tolerate a lot and this as well, but frankly it is your fellow Hivers you should be trying to convince not the other factions. I for one an rather insulted you have tried to bully and pressure us into a decision of your liking by making this a public discussion, this is not helping your cause.