A call to arms! (Save our Demo Game!)

[Snowflake]

I don't know Jamski. I'm not sure by insulting the Hive ("instructed by the Drones") and the CPU ("if Hive join the attack the game will be ended") you will get us all united.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Jamski
Tass, please STFU for once in your thrice blasted life

You dare to defy your god?!

[Illuminatus]

Drones are faction with no roleplay, no honour, and probably no democracy since it seems to be run by Buster solely. I haven`t seen any roleplay from Drones, and they have shown to be rude and arrongant, since they have attacked us without any declaration of war or even explanation. They havent even given us a notification. Buster is insulting all ACDG players when he runs this as usual PBEM.

CPU has no ambitions towards Hive, we do not want Hive teritory or want to attack you, nor we ever wanted to so. We do not wish to unite all factions under CyCon, PUT merging was quite unexpected for most of us. As for PEACE war, this is behind, and CPU doesn not wish to undertake any aggresive expansion plan in the future.
No one insulted Hive, but will you let yourself be ordered by Drones and a handfew of dictators who ignore the rest of your team? We wish friendship with Hive, and now we need it so much. Please, hear the voice of your Comrade Jamski, fellow Hiverians, and unite with us against Drones in a glorious battle for the continuation of ACDG!

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by obstructor
Drones are faction with no roleplay, no honour, and probably no democracy since it seems to be run by Buster solely. I haven`t seen any roleplay from Drones, and they have shown to be rude and arrongant, since they have attacked us without any declaration of war or even explanation. They havent even given us a notification. Buster is insulting all ACDG players when he runs this as usual PBEM.

Let's keep this civil or I'll wipe this thread from existence

[Illuminatus]

Well this is my opinion, and all of this is true Tass. You have seen the evidence for this yourself haven`t you?

[Snowflake]

Prove to me one thing that the Drones did that is not honourable. I'm not argueing for the Drones. I just want it to be fair.

[Illuminatus]

Is attacking a faction without declaration of war or ANY notification honourable? I guess that Hive considers CyCon to be unhonorable for attacking PEACE, but a lot of things have changed fron then. I cannot tell you exactly what Buster did, since it is a private CPU thing, but I am sure you can understand when someone betrays you.

[Snowflake]

Did Drones betray you? Did they have a secret arrangement of pact or something with you that the others are not aware of and they backstabbed you? I did think that buster posted his declaration of war in the turn thread. How else would you know that the Drones are at war with you without getting the turn otherwise?

[Illuminatus]

We did not have any secret arrangements or pact with Drones. Most of our exchange with Drones was conducted in htis way: we suggst sth, Drones dont even let us know they received, lest reply to it. And when they actually said sth...

Is war to be declared in turn tracking thread? When you destroyed our CP you sent us a PM. Buster hasnt sent anything to any CPU member, not even "Haha you are doomed!". He completely ignored the fact that we have 29 members wanting explanation. No. He chose turn tracking thread.I dont recall he EVER posted anything ourside this thread, not Drone members actively posting here (with two exceptions, I am sure hey know who they are). Is not this just rude?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by obstructor
Well this is my opinion, and all of this is true Tass. You have seen the evidence for this yourself haven`t you?

No

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


No

I thought you read every thread as moderator. This gives me some ideas...

[Snowflake]

Here's my personal opinion. War is not unhonorable because this is a game with a heavy emphasis at war aspect after all. My opposition to the CC-PEACE war only comes when the CPU seemed to be going all the way to beat them to death unnecessarily just to prove your point or something, or perhaps total elimination brings people more enjoyment, I don't know. By the same token, I do not see Drones going to war against you as unhonorable, unless they've done other things like cheating etc.

I agree that the Drones have not actively participated in roleplaying. However this is their style. When they took part in this game we haven't required that they must actively roleplay, if I understand correctly. In fact I vaguely remember they have stated that they won't be roleplaying a lot or something. Jamski or Drogue may be able to remember better since I was very new at the time. In addition, I learnt from members of the CPU about their dislikes of our roleplays. So non roleplying may not be a good reason for a war in my opinon.

When the Drones didn't reply to your PMs, have you asked and made sure if they have actually received it? I agree if what you said is true it may not be appropriate in the Drone's part, however is it enough to justify a four faction against one faction war?

I really don't like we relate personal feelings with the in game aspects. Looks to me most of us can handle very well wars in a pbem. True this is not a pbem, but why can't we separate personal feelings from in game play?

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by HongHu
Here's my personal opinion. War is not unhonorable because this is a game with a heavy emphasis at war aspect after all.

I am diverting attention from Jamskis post it seems.
War is not honourable, nor is war against PEACE (this is my opinion since I joined after the war is started, and is not in any way official faction opinion).

My opposition to the CC-PEACE war only comes when the CPU seemed to be going all the way to beat them to death unnecessarily just to prove your point or something, or perhaps total elimination brings people more enjoyment, I don't know.

I am too for the PEACE process. Peace are way gone, and we do not need them to be eradicated. It is a shame that talks were almost halted due to someone in Hive.
/me looks at HongHu
Should check your PM more seriously?
Anyway recent Hive actions are quite questionable too, since you are doing unprovoked things.

By the same token, I do not see Drones going to war against you as unhonorable, unless they've done other things like cheating etc.

Can you then just forget the unhonourable part, since one read the rest of my post then?

I agree that the Drones have not actively participated in roleplaying. However this is their style. When they took part in this game we haven't required that they must actively roleplay, if I understand correctly. In fact I vaguely remember they have stated that they won't be roleplaying a lot or something. Jamski or Drogue may be able to remember better since I was very new at the time. In addition, I learnt from members of the CPU about their dislikes of our roleplays.
So non roleplying may not be a good reason for a war in my opinon.

Roleplaying is the reason of the Drone attack? They hate roleplay so much that they will eradicate us for that?
You are next then, I am afraid.

When the Drones didn't reply to your PMs, have you asked and made sure if they have actually received it? I agree if what you said is true it may not be appropriate in the Drone's part, however is it enough to justify a four faction against one faction war?

This is not reason for war against Drones, since being rude is not enough. However can you read Jamskis post more carefully, he stated reasons for pact clearly enough.

I really don't like we relate personal feelings with the in game aspects. Looks to me most of us can handle very well wars in a pbem. True this is not a pbem, but why can't we separate personal feelings from in game play?

There are 100 members actively participating in this ACDG. Drones are however run by one man, and I havent heard anything from other Drone members about them actively participating in their team. It is a shame to learn that this ACDG was useless.
What personal feelings? I haven`t seen any personal feelings in ACDG, possibly only in Chairman`s Voltaire`s post.

[Snowflake]

Hmmm. First are you saying you believe wars are unhonorable? So will you be against all wars? Even the war that Jamski is promoting against the Drones? I'm seriously asking this question. For I for one, will support any effort to prevent all war in this planet. I understand this will diminish the interest of a large portion of this game, but as I said before, I personally will embrace the concept of a no war peaceful development and competition.

Ok other small points that needs to be cleared.
First I always check my PM very carefully. Why do you feel I have not done so and by not doing so somehow hinted the talks between you and peace?

Second, I was not sure if you ARE accusing the Drones' of cheating?

Third, I thought it was you who offered non roleplaying as one reason against the Drones, not the Drones offered rolyplay as the reason they attack you? Not sure you misread, or misunderstood, or was simply trying to shift attention.

Fourth, I thought it was clear that those opinions of mine was responding to your post, instead of Jamski's initial post. I was actually a little moved by his and Impaler's post btw. And those got me thinking. But I really do want to say something in respond to your post too. I apologize if it was not clear before.

As for personal feelings, I thought I've seen plenty. We are humans after all. Who doesn't have personal feelings? Personal feelings are not some bad thing. If you don't see them, I really feel for you.

[Ouro_827]

As an official ambassador from the CPU, I wholehardedly assure you that I will uphold a strong and hard strike into the enemy! We shall vanquish our foe on the battlefield, or fall honorably(unlike some) there!