An apology to the CyCon from the Hive*

[Jamski]

It is not a sign of weakness to admit mistakes, as certain members of the Hive may believe, but an apology for this action officially communicated to the CPU would be looked upon very favourably and would show the Hive does indeed have a strong belief in inter-faction communication and cooperation, as it seemed to show by calling a meeting of the Council. Such an apology, or even the recommencement of negotiations on the establishing of boundaries for the greater safety of BOTH factions would relieve the CPU and ease tensions to the benefit of both. The CPU is not (IMO) going to go to war over a single incident, but the danger is there where such diplomatic failures to communicate continue. I urge the Hive to think this through and to see that the only way out is together, not against.

We ain't so bad if you make your intentions and concerns known. If you had warned us the CP must go or else then there would at least have been warning, and consequently far less outrage. Let's please just chalk this up as a mistake and get back on the road to cooperation.

Ok, we screwed up. We attacked a PEACE colony pod under your control and eliminated it. You have no information as to the fate of the colonists, and obviously you are annoyed.

We feel that we had good justification for doing so, but you seem to disagree.

For the sake of Planetary Peace, we offer our deepest apologies to CyCon. As the destroyed pod was stolen property we cannot offer compensation, unless the CyCon were to then compensate the PEACE for the original theft, but we are happy to pass the ec value of the CP directly to the PEACE faction if this is desired.

We hope that neither of our factions will use this regrettable incident as an excuse for millitary action.

-Jam

*Comrade Jamski no longer has any formal rank in the Hive government

[MrWhereItsAt]

Er, thank you Jamski. I am sure your feelings will be appreciated by the rest of the CPU. I would like to take this opportunity to call upon the Hive government to listen to the regrets of citizens such as Jamski about the whole business and to make some official diplomatic reparations towards CPU so we can put this behind us.

[Impaler[WrG]]

As an ambasador of the Conciousness I greatfully accept your apology. Indeed thing as simple as an apology like this will go a great distance in defusing the situation as Cycon found the Hives atitude more threatening then the actual military actions in question.

Your plan to send Reperations to PEACE could present an oportunity to build trust between all 3 Factions. Rather then transmit the Reperations directly to PEACE why dont we agree to have the Hive transmit the what ever sum they wish to the Cycon bundled with a Truce and for Cycon to imediatly send thouse Credits to PEACE bundeled with another Truce offer. Along with an official recognition of Territories, Bounaries and Nutral Zones by all factions in the near future. Thus we can all save face here and come out in a peacefull stance.

Is this acceptable to the Hive and PEACE?

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Er, thank you Jamski. I am sure your feelings will be appreciated by the rest of the CPU. I would like to take this opportunity to call upon the Hive government to listen to the regrets of citizens such as Jamski about the whole business and to make some official diplomatic reparations towards CPU so we can put this behind us.

The opinions and view of Comrade Jamski are his own, the do not necessarily represent the views of the People and government of the Human Hive.

We’re willing to move on, but for the last time you’re not getting any reparations since you didn’t really loose anything.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Your plan to send Reperations to PEACE could present an oportunity to build trust between all 3 Factions. Rather then transmit the Reperations directly to PEACE why dont we agree to have the Hive transmit the what ever sum they wish to the Cycon bundled with a Truce and for Cycon to imediatly send thouse Credits to PEACE bundeled with another Truce offer. Along with an official recognition of Territories, Bounaries and Nutral Zones by all factions in the near future. Thus we can all save face here and come out in a peacefull stance.

Is this acceptable to the Hive and PEACE?

You're joking, right?

[Jamski]

Wait, Voltaire. This kind of response is what makes people get mad.

I think its best if neither side demands anything of the other in return for peace. Peace should be its own reward.

However, I'm sure the Hive could spare the small sum to cover the cost of mindcontroling a CP, and it would also be a demonstration of the trustworthyness of the CyCon if they then give the money to PEACE as promised.

Its not a bad plan, everyone saves face, and we get to give poor old PEACE some financial aid "through the backdoor"

Of course if the CyCon keep the cash, then all the nice talk about peaceful intentions was bullschit. And if The Hive really refuse this small gesture, then what does that say about "the faction that cares about PEACE" ?

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Voltaire
We’re willing to move on, but for the last time you’re not getting any reparations since you didn’t really loose anything.

Very well, can Hive agree then to transfer to PEACE the amount of energy it asks for reparations, sign a truce with CPU and even allow our cruiser near Conshelf 57 return home?

Especially this last gesture will shock the, I'm afraid unavoidable warmongers within CPU, and silence their voices sufficiently so the moderate voices can be heard clearer.

Any other proposal will off course be listened to and debated.

Edit:

It seems that I responded to quickly, but the proposal still stands.

I salute the gesture of a common Hive citizen. We of CPU might have to learn a lesson out of this.

[Jamski]

I'm just pleading with Voltaire to accept this revised offer. As a private Hive citizen I have no wish to send my sons and brothers to fight against the CyCon because the Chairman couldn't spare 30-60 ec

-Jam

[Impaler[WrG]]

Establishing trust here is adsactly the point of said exchange plan. We all want peace, but in the present situation it would be a rather stressed peace, almost a cold war. Guestures like this could help greatly to ruduce tentions.

If the above proposal is to much to soon then perhaps something a bit different.

We all sign Truces next turn, Cycon will transmit 60 Credits to the Pirates and then only after this has been verified by the Hive will the Hive be obligated to send Cycon 60 Credits. If we have peace next turn then I am shure my fellow Cyborgs will be willing to make this offer.


In addition we have an offer of territorial boundaries which we suspect will be agreeable to all.

The Nutral Zone with the Hive shall be a Rectangular area with the corners (38/32), (28/42), (34/48) and (44/38). Neither the Hive, Cycon or the Pirates will move into or through this area or found bases in it. Incase your wondering thats a 7 tile deep rectangle running from the Angel Coast up to the islands that will be PEACE territory and includes the 2 small islands ware much conflict has occured.


For the purposes of border clairification I think we should use a simple strait line to deside the PEACE border. PEACE territory would be Square with its southern tip at (48/40). Its border with the Hive is ofcorse an issue between them, with us they will agree to build bases and move units only within this zone. The border line will also extend into the unexplored territory in the northern Hemiphere untill it intersect either the top of the Map or Drone Territory.

This territorial proposal will also be discussed with the Pirates ofcorse. I envite them to respond here or on other threads.

[Jamski]

The compensation/treaty offer is not tied to the neutral zone offer is it?

It would be a pain if people started adding other conditions to a simple cash/treaty deal.

-Jam

[Impaler[WrG]]

No they are not tied together and can be negotiated and enacted seperatly.

I am hopefull that we can get the borders agreed upon next turn as both factions seem eager for have this security messure in place.

I have used map cordinates as I am not shure if the Hive has access to the world map of the Pirates (I would be suprised if they didnt though). If not I hope the fact some of the territory in question is inky blackness to the Hive will not interfere with the negotiations.

If a Hive representative feels the Nural Zone is agreeable or wishes to propose an alteration we can work that out easily untill we reach something mutualy agreeable (likly by expanding the zone), then we can begin Polls in both factions and have an official signing by our leadership.

[Jamski]

Could you perhaps post a screenshot with the proposed neutral zone marked on it?

-Jam

[Maniac]

Here follows an old screenshot which was to be used in PEACE talks, before the Hive broke the ceasefire:



(Note that I am no longer CPU official, so this screenshot may be worth nothing anymore)

[Snowflake]

Well I just returned from my business trip and looks like there are quite a few threads that I need to read through. But just a couple quick feedbacks here. First Hive has not broke anything. The ceasefire is between PEACE and CPU IIRC. The Hive is not even invited in your peace talk?

Second I'm not sure 60ecs from CC can really cover the PEACE CP that was stolen. For all I know it is about all that PEACE have for their last hope of survival. A CP may not be worth much for the CPU, but I'm sure it is worth millions for the PEACE.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by HongHu
The Hive is not even invited in your peace talk?

You and several other Hiveans were sent that PM with that eight points proposal. The Hive chose not to react on it.