So...

[Kody]

Nah Enigma was okay. Once you realise he openly says whatever is on his mind and not take it too seriously then you'll get along fine.

[Skanky Burns]

I can't see that level of hostility as being "fun", but then I haven't read much of his posts. This may be due to the fact he would have posted predominantly in the Hive private forums, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Enigma_Nova

It felt a bit abnormal when the game kept prompting me as Chairman Voltaire.
I figure you guys changed that next turn into Turnplayer HongHu, right?

heh, No I haven't done that Enigma. I would like to say that I'm keeping your name because I miss you and want everybody to remember your contribution. But the truth is that I don't know how to change it.

[Snowflake]

Enigma is right that we learn in this game. We learn many things. Gaming skills are one. The other is that we learn that people are different. How to get everybody to work together is sometimes not very easy. I'm still learning as of today.

[Enigma_Nova]

but if that's your attitude, good riddance.

I'm easily hurt when I feel underappreciated or stifled.
As Kody said, I will always express dissatisfaction or resent.
I'm also quite serious, and combattive.

---Here's my background ~again~---
I was a genius child treated like a common idiot. My parents (whom I resent) tried to force ideas, actions and even feelings on the presumption that they knew better than I did.
After discussing the matter to myself, I decided that I would fight for what I believed, what I felt, and who I was.
Freedom of original thought was, to me, more important than my parents' respect.
So, in effect I set myself up as a prosecuted yet innocent individual, fighting for correct beliefs in an incorrect world.

The effects were obvious:
I came into conflict with pretty much everyone, parents / peers / society.
Of course, I saw it as 'top important' to fight, and so became intense, serious, and deliberate.
A combination of pro-logic character, and conflict with pretty much everyone, I did not have much sense of happiness, and pursuit of enjoyment merely got in the way.
Having only myself to rely upon, I became Egocentric, Anarchistic and Distrusting.

Further hardships would give 3 effects:
If I had conquered it, then I would become more confident.
If I had failed to conquer it, I would become more resentful.
If I was busy fighting it, I would become more focused.
Having many victories, and a few defeats,
I developed a sort of Arrogance, considering myself as the only being ready, willing and able to fix what bothered me.
Being egocentric, I described what bothered me would -always- be good to solve/fix, and started calling these things 'problems'.

Developing obcession with problem-solving, it became the focus of my efforts.
My tasks were about either problem-solving directly, or gaining tools/skills needed to solve problems.
Being this task-centred, I often saw 'problems' in others, and indeed saw the human species as both a riddle to understand, and a problem to solve.
Such was born the attitude, "I am the only one ready, willing and able to solve the human species."

My point in the ACDG was, of course, to gain interpersonal skills required to gain support to solve an unrelated problem.
It was also a test of my skills, designed to isolate weaknesses and fix them.
------

See the obvious personality conflict with The Human Hive?
Exactly. A difference in what we felt, what we believed and how we reacted led to much discomfort for both parties.
In the end, I became so annoyed I could not focus on my task, and left.

I don't see it as a result of any negative aspects of myself or The Human Hive (for in my mind personality traits are neither negative nor positive), but as a conflict of personality.

I certainly don't see anything deserving of that attitude in the forum since I arrived.

Me posting an idea and the idea being disapproved because it was against common 'rule' or common presumption.
Me being seen as a negative person when I stick up for what I believe.
Me being subconsciously blocked by members of my team due to their indesire or inability to work with a different type of person.

In short, the undervaluing of who I am, what I work for or what I want/need.
That causes annoyance in everyone.
A reason it causes more annoyance in me is because being highly different, people have no clue how to value me.

Due to a lack of ability to empathise, The Hive seeked first to attack - leading of course to my resistance, and The Hive pushing their own implied agenda with all the ferocity and unawareness of The Believers.
In this battle, only HongHu and myself saw what was going on.
The rest of the people attacked like the Guard dogs of their territory they were engineered to be.

Long story short, By no will or fault of The Hive, The Hive ousted me. I forgive them because they know not what they do, but I am still frustrated because they have learned little, and I have failed the challenge I set for myself.

It's great to win and I hope the team does well, but having that attitude around isn't something likely to make the game fun by any stretch of the imagination.

I wasn't playing for fun.
Before you shoot me down for disrespecting your agenda, note that The Hive disrespected my agenda -first-.
Easier to destroy than to understand?

The Hive is just like everybody else.
Yes, I have a bad history with people. Damn well deal with it - I assure you that my discomfort is worse than yours.

Now where's HongHu? I have to tell her that I respect her and consider her superior to The Hive.

[Enigma_Nova]

-BREVITY POST-

Originally posted by Arnelos
but if that's your attitude, good riddance.

It is easier to destroy than to understand.
I hope your actions make you feel better, because they have the inverse affect on me.

I certainly don't see anything deserving of that attitude in the forum since I arrived.

Your emotional reactions and mine will differ, because even in the same situation, we are different people.
It takes a lot to understand how other people's emotions work, so try not to presume you understand me.

that attitude around isn't something likely to make the game fun

And you in pursuing your own agenda aren't following my agenda.
What a co-incidence! The only difference is that one of us thinks he knows what should be valued in life (irrespective of person doing the valuing).

Originally posted by Kody
Nah Enigma was okay. Once you realise he openly says whatever is on his mind and not take it too seriously then you'll get along fine.

In the act of not taking it seriously you'll probably undervalue it, at which point I will lose concern for your own values.
You're right about the openness, but I am not infinitely skilled in expressing it. -_-;

Originally posted by HongHu
I would like to say that I'm keeping your name because I miss you and want everybody to remember your contribution. But the truth is that I don't know how to change it.

Multiplayer -> Customise your faction.
If you miss me, we should probably team up in the next ACDG, and develop a more creative / open-minded system of government so I don't get annoyed and leave again.

[Enigma_Nova]

(Since this wasn't short, it didn't belong in the brevity post)
Honghu:

Enigma is right that we learn in this game.

What I said was that purpose is different for different people.
Some are here to participate,
some are here to show off,
some are here to have fun socialising,
some are here to have fun winning,
some are here to learn the game,
I am here to learn the people.
And there's other stuff not included in the above because I didn't think of it at the time.

How to get everybody to work together is sometimes not very easy. I'm still learning as of today.

I practically forked over the instruction manual.
"Don't bind Enigma by rules and regulations, and always take his ideas with an unclouded mind."
I see myself as full of thoughts, and like to work creatively, so this is effectiely:
"Value what I am and let me do my work."

It's a tried-and-true system in how we are designed - we are evolved to work, let us fulfil our drives.
We are designed to help our group, AND to help ourselves.
In this, we like to do stuff we like, and stuff others like us to do.
When others like what we do, they value us.
So let us do/be what we value, and value it also - this allows us to satisfy our drives to fight for what we are, AND our drive to do what the group judges good.
We've also evolved emotions, logic and actions.
So support people emotionally, work with them logically and help them in their actions.

It's all pretty intuitive, and aware. This stuff seems obvious to me but it may not be to all of you.

HongHu, before you wonder where my people skills come from:
I saw my lack of people skills as a problem,
I traced the problem to my purely introspective attitude.
I fixed that attitude, enabling me to 'think outside myself'.
I used this to re-evaluate presumptions, and after nerfing some errors increased my ability to understand both myself and others.
With understanding in place, knowledge is power.
Knowing - Understanding - Deciding - Acting.
While my Knowing and Acting could use work,

I totally OWN Understanding and Deciding.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Whoa.


Enigma lit a fire under the lazy ass of the ACPSG in an attempt to get it moving. I am only regretful that I went inactive at a critical moment and things went awry there. I can only imagine he tried the same thing in the Hive and this was believed to be negative, rather than motivational.

/me shakes head

Why does the Hive end up losing more good members that way?

[jtsisyoda]

Abbreviated installments 4-12 in the 4,219 part documentary "Enigma_Nova: The Autobiographical sequel to that other 3,429 part documentary on Enigma. (Written, produced, narrated, and 0WNED by Enigma_Nova.)"



*poke*

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Why does the Hive end up losing more good members that way?

There are other reasons, unrelated to the game, why I have barred Enigma from playing