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  • Political parties

    Will there be any? Do we want any?
    What were the arguments against parties again?
    And what happened to old ones btw...they just died out, didn't they?

    Because i'm kinda thinking of bringing back the good ol' SSK
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  • #2
    The arguments against were IIRC that it created too much heated discussion and rivalry. However I found the first two months of the first ACDG the most fun of them all. Bring back parties!
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    • #3
      Parties Although this time, I'm evil Bring on the Nihilist Party
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      • #4
        (Completely off-topic)

        Wow that's a quick change Drogue. Do you live only five minutes away from Elijah's computer? (Or have you switched logins?)
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        • #5
          I switched logins, although I do only live about 5 mins from Elijah.
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          But he would think of something

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          • #6
            We need political parties! The appeal of the last democracy game was in the parties, after we lost those a number of people left, and the game was just not as much fun.

            Granted how we will incorporate political parties while playing the Hive (assuming the Hive wins) and maintaining the atmosphere is beyond me.
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            • #7
              Parties for me too, seems much more interesting!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Voltaire
                Granted how we will incorporate political parties while playing the Hive (assuming the Hive wins) and maintaining the atmosphere is beyond me.
                I guess in a totalitarian state there should be only one party. However that party doesn't need to be monolithic. After all AFAIK in the USSR and PRC there always were several groups of likeminded people who wanted to impose their version of the truth on everyone else and make it state policy. What were parties with normal citizens (we) as members in the previous ACDG could now be semi-secret associations with the party elite as members. Backstabbing, corruption and political intrigue should be the ways of the Hive.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maniac
                  What were parties with normal citizens (we) as members in the previous ACDG could now be semi-secret associations with the party elite as members.
                  So, if it's nominally a one-party state, we can't really call these secret organizations parties. What should the general name for them be? Factions? Cabals?
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                  • #10
                    Ever read 1984? There were very different groups in a totalitarian state in that book.

                    Or, we could have different lobby groups that work for the interest of a certain group of people. Like the Drone Redemption Group or the Society of Scientists or the Soldier's Political Army.
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                    • #11
                      In 1984 there were different groups, but always the same people in power. If we are going to RP the Hive properly, we can't even have elections, and thus cannot change officials (except by military coup ). Therefore there must be a slight change in the nature of the Hive to facilitate this. Like in the last ACDG, we had many parties with a common belief in democracy, in this we have many parties with the common belief in a police state. It would take a considerable doublethink, not to see the hypocracy in having democracy where all parties are anti-democratic, but that hypocracy seems Hive-like to me.

                      Or we could go for the literal meaning of police state, and have competing police forces, rife with corruption, whereby the most powerful police force can put it's members into office. Each party would have it's own police force, and the strength of each could be decided by a vote, as a representation of it's power. So that although we are undemocratic RPing, the way the faction is run uses polling as a measure.

                      The other big problem is whether we vote on actions. To RP we wouldn't, but then it becomes a pretty uninteresting game. Also the name, the AC Democracy Game.

                      The only way of getting round this I can think of is running the faction like the Hive do currently - inefficient, burocratic but with voting and officals (loads of them). The whole idea of hypocracy, corruption and doublethink could work well, and be much fun (if it doesn't get boring) while still giving the essance of a communist police state.
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                      • #12
                        inefficient
                        Inefficient!!!!!!!

                        Although I conceed the other points.

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                        • #13
                          Election in a Hive RP could be explained as such, like our setup on the Hive team: Elections of officials come and go as a method of placating the populace, and distracting them for the real power. We would have a permanent Chairman with symbolic in-game power, and great RP power.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Octavian X
                            Election in a Hive RP could be explained as such, like our setup on the Hive team: Elections of officials come and go as a method of placating the populace, and distracting them for the real power. We would have a permanent Chairman with symbolic in-game power, and great RP power.
                            I like the Chairman idea, although what happens if they turn inactive? Can the Chairman run for in game positions? Although Yang seems against the idea of placating the populace. He would just nervestaple. Indeed, the mere idea of involving the people to some insignificant degree would probably earn a nervestaple
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                            But he would think of something

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                            • #15
                              Why can't a completely new faction be made?

                              It may be fun just dreaming one up and balancing it.

                              Then I'm sure someone will enjoy writing the ideology etc too.

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