GODLY: Decide Tassadar's Fate

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Drogue
I garee with Tass. Assistant God/Historian is what I want. With the Tass manoeuvre in place, it would wreck the game I implore everyone not to pick it. I don't want to know who has met and what they have said, and I don't want other factions to know that. It would completely unbalance the game.

Yeah. I find it crazy that people would even think of choosing the option (Except Hivers. They DEFINATELY want me back ). I, however, suspect that the Godly choice will win out.

[Maniac]

Hmm, I must confess I really begin to wonder what kind of terrible cheat Tassadar has discovered. I'll have to ask him when this ACDG is over.

[Googlie]

I posted it in the Game Parameters thread as a banned procedure (but as unpoliceable, its compliance relies on trust and honour)

G.

[Maniac]

Oh, that! I've known about that for ages. I first discovered it accidentally in FW5 IIRC when I somehow quitted in a completely wrong way. Not that this accidental information helped me: I lost anyway. IMHO it isn't such a powerful cheat: it only does a few years off first-contact if one would be really determined to find others.

[Hercules]

I think we need a bit of clarity here.
First I don't want Tass 'researching PEACE' files, I simply don't trust him.
What is the Tass manoeuvre? Private emails to factions members?
A lot of these questions I raised at the outset.
The reading of Sav files in Word is fascinating, except I can't. In RL it would count as legitimate intelligence gathering. New one on me.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Hercules

What is the Tass manoeuvre?

here

[johndmuller]

Now that the actual transgression has seemingly been spelled out, perhaps it can be quickly resolved.

If this is the reason that the Hive has been sitting on their turn, I wonder why they would receive a turn dispensation; was it so that they could be the first to take advantage of the information (sooner than anyone else) if the info is disseminated to all? A strange benefit to accord the faction whose member's questionable action precipitated the problem.

As to Tass himself, I personally feel that since he was up front enough to discuss this openly and even offer to resign from the Hive over it, I would trust him to keep it to himself until it becomes known in the normal course of the game.

(from Googlie)
Note that Option 2 (Let him rejoin his comrade in the Hive has game repercussions in that I will intitiate the Tass Manoeuvre for all factions to put them on a level playing field.

This giving out of the information to all, that would be particularly and blatently unfair to us Pirates; that sort of thing is one of our faction's built-in strong points, and to give it out free to everyone would be like giving out free techs from the research factions or free units from the Hive & Drones to reduce their industry benefits.

All this public discussion of the various exploits is itself also potentially damaging insofar as it could tempt someone else into crossing that thin line with some dubious rationalization such as 'well, everyone else must know it by now'. This whole matter would likely have been better handled without all this publicity, especially since the publicity was mostly non-information, leading to all the speculation and ensuing curiosity and potential additional violations.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by johndmuller
If this is the reason that the Hive has been sitting on their turn, I wonder why they would receive a turn dispensation; was it so that they could be the first to take advantage of the information (sooner than anyone else) if the info is disseminated to all?

Perhaps that conclusion is drawn too fast. There could be lots of other reasons, for example they could have met another faction, or the usual turn player could be unavailable, leaving the others at a loss what to do. (IIRC I previously read only one person is concentrating on the gameplay, and the others are roleplaying.)

This giving out of the information to all, that would be particularly and blatently unfair to us Pirates; that sort of thing is one of our faction's built-in strong points,

Actually you would be the faction gaining most advantage out of it if everyone was allowed to use the Tassadar Manoeuvre, as sea bases don't show up on the faction expansion animation when you resign or win, only land bases. For that reason it would be very unfair for everyone but you if everyone was allowed to pull the same trick as Tassadar.

[johndmuller]

Originally posted by Maniac
Perhaps that conclusion is drawn too fast...

Perhaps.

Actually you would be the faction gaining most advantage out of it if everyone was allowed to use the Tassadar Manoeuvre, as sea bases don't show up on the faction expansion animation when you resign or win, only land bases. For that reason it would be very unfair for everyone but you if everyone was allowed to pull the same trick as Tassadar.

I'm talking about our ability to find the other factions in game, and the value of that information. It wouldn't be totally bad for us, as we could take advantage of the info better than others, but would you pay for someone's commlink if you knew they were just across that little strait next to you? We would only be invisible to the extent we didn't have any land bases, and where would we be able to bury our booty then?

[Maniac]

I'm talking about our ability to find the other factions in game

Ah. Good point indeed. Anyway, I don't think this will become an issue, as no one except HongHu and Googlie IIRC have proposed to let everyone use the Tassadar Manoeuvre.

[Nubclear]

I simply don't trust him.

And whys that? If I really wanted to cheat, I could do MUCH more

If this is the reason that the Hive has been sitting on their turn, I wonder why they would receive a turn dispensation; was it so that they could be the first to take advantage of the information (sooner than anyone else) if the info is disseminated to all? A strange benefit to accord the faction whose member's questionable action precipitated the problem.

Actually...Well, I don't think I'm at liberty to discuss why the Hive is sitting on their turn. But suffice to say, it has nothing to do with me.

[johndmuller]

Why don't we just dress up Tass in a Miriam outfit and put him actually into the game, not just playing it, but really in it; I think we could all live with the extra knowledge the Believer's would have given the special fringe benefits we would get.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Maniac


Anyway, I don't think this will become an issue, as no one except HongHu and Googlie IIRC have proposed to let everyone use the Tassadar Manoeuvre.

This will not become an issue from me as I was proposing it as a tentative solution to the problem and was actually very glad that we don't have to go that route.

BTW, the hive's turn delay is not related to this issue. Kody was playing the turn and in the middle he had issues that he didn't believe he should decide by himself. So he came back to the forum and we had some discussion. You know in Hive somebody not being a Chairman only has this much authority.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by johndmuller
Why don't we just dress up Tass in a Miriam outfit and put him actually into the game, not just playing it, but really in it; I think we could all live with the extra knowledge the Believer's would have given the special fringe benefits we would get.

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Unfortunately, I'm already a prisoner of the believers

[Nubclear]

No it isn't. This one is.