Why is the Looniveristy such a group of lazy capitalist pig dogs?

[Drogue]

Ok, time limit first. Then do one poll for the first time punishment, and one poll for repeat offenders. I don't think we need one for when punishment should take place, as that goes with the first one, on the time limit.

[Jamski]

Time limit poll is up.

Next one should be when the Penalty is applied.

• When the time limit expires.
• Warning when the time limit expires, Penalty applied 4 hours later
• Warning, 6 hours later
• Warning, 8 hours later
• Warning, 12 hours later.....

Wouldn't you think?

-Jam

[Jamski]

Finally done

The polls are here, here, here, and here.

Thanks for your patience

-Jam

[Mongoose]

Chill, guys. We haven't had a major problem yet.

[Jamski]

Yet - which is why we're sorting it out now - besides we LIKE polls.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Drogue
Jam: We voted for what to do if they broke the time period, but missed out many option such as the one many agreed on in the discussion about it. Also, what authorisation did anyone have to make that poll? Surely that is all GooglieGod's say. Moreover we have never voted on the actual time limit, and your poll I believe stated that it was 36 hours before any action is takern, and that 24 is what we want, but is a warning only. Futhermore, when we had the discussion about timings, we said that although 24 hours was what we wanted, 48 might be better when the game gets going.

Combine with that this being exam season, and I think we need leniency.

I for one still don't agree withthe poll you made, as not only was it emotive (options included "strict" and "nice") which is not allowed in official polls under the old constitution. Also, even the nice option did turned to beign strict after a warning, without including the option of not turning to strict, and the option that was discussed with regards to the different time periods, such as a warning after so much, action after a different amount of time, was not included in the poll.

I think this thread is in general bad taste too. The idea was this to be fun, not bound up in rules about when it must be played. I admit we need a time period to keep the game moving, but with everything else that's happening at the moment, I think we need a lot of leniency, and if not, we need a constitution written stating the rules of the game, that have been discussed and then voted on showing all options supported in the discussion. Maybe have a place for putting forward ideas, and then id any are seconded, they are used in the poll?

I agree with Drogue here. I understand the eagerness of those awaiting the turn but please also try to be tolerant and remember there are real difficulties in real world at times, such as final week and server down time (so that people cannot read and post in their private forum). On the other hands, for the people who have the turn, it'll be appreciated by others if you would post a note saying that it could be this many hours late due to this reason, then hopefully we could avoid the need of debating about punishment and enforcing rules.

[johndmuller]

Not to put a drone in the ointment, but who says it's fair to take polls like this anyway? This may be called a democracy game, but that doesn't mean it is a direct democracy with one vote per person; perhaps we should have one vote per faction, or one vote per piece of eight . . . or per cutlass, . . . per warship?

I realize the eggheads are frustrating (but you busy bees have an easier time of it since the factions who go before you are relatively consistent in the amount of time taken, so you have some ability to plan your RL ahead) - they may be frustrating, but we all have our times when it is tough to get it together within the requisite time frame, so it behooves us to let it be as much as possible.

As to the time limits, if any . . .
I don't think that 24 hours is necessarily long enough if the turn arrives at a particularly inauspicious time. It is a perfectly reasonable expectation if condidtions are reasonable, but if the turn comes in just after you go to sleep before an especially tough day, it could be 20 hours before you even look at the turn, and sometimes consultation is will be desirable - I would say 36 - 48 hours before any punitive action is initiated (and that it not be initiated right at the 36 hour point except for frequent abusers.

Ramping up the penalties is fine in principle, but don't get too carried away - it's a long game, and 5 or 10 years of 'good behavior' ought to expunge a late turn. so the penalty scales back a notch or resets to the base level.

All that being said, if it bothers you enough, it is certainly possible to take it out on offenders in the game. Our 'plank' on the Montezuma's Revenge has already been dedicated to the Provost .

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Jamski
Finally done

The polls are here, here, here, and here.

Thanks for your patience

-Jam

Comrade Jamski, the people and party appreciate your hard work.

[Jamski]

As to the time limits, if any . . .
I don't think that 24 hours is necessarily long enough if the turn arrives at a particularly inauspicious time. It is a perfectly reasonable expectation if condidtions are reasonable, but if the turn comes in just after you go to sleep before an especially tough day, it could be 20 hours before you even look at the turn, and sometimes consultation is will be desirable - I would say 36 - 48 hours before any punitive action is initiated (and that it not be initiated right at the 36 hour point except for frequent abusers.

All these options are available in the polls, so GO AND VOTE if you want your opinion to be counted. If anyone doesn't vote, then they have no right to complain about the results later.

Ramping up the penalties is fine in principle, but don't get too carried away - it's a long game, and 5 or 10 years of 'good behavior' ought to expunge a late turn. so the penalty scales back a notch or resets to the base level.

Perhaps an idea for the future. There's probably enough polls floating around to keep people busy for now

Comrade Jamski, the people and party appreciate your hard work

Thanks

-Jam

[Rokossovky]

I apologize if I have offended anyone. The purpose of this thread was not evil but just to prod the university into getting their turns in on a more regular basis. I am sure we can all agree that it is rather annoying to have it sitting there like that. However, I am pleased that it has spurred some action regarding the turn lengths, and I thank Jamski for his efforts. But once again, this thread was meant to be a fun prodding, not something offensive. I humbly ask for forgiveness from the Googliegod.

- Rokossovky

[Googlie]

Forgiveness granted

But this is a contentious issue, and will only get more so after 50 - 100 turns, when war is on 2 fronts, and a simple decision to move a unit or change a build can have far reaching repercussions

re the time diffs - click on the civgroups at top right list and you'll see:

Peace................ from GMT - 8 to GMT + 1
PUT ................... from GMT - 8 to GMT + 10
CC ..................... from GMT - 8 to GMT + 1
Drones .............. from GMT -8 to GMT +1
Hive .................. from GMT - 10 to GMT + 10

But elsewhere (in one of the poll threads) I've given my opinion - 48 hours to play, a warning with a 12 hour "grace period" after which I open the turn and hit "turn complete"

Obviously there will, from time to time, be extenuating circumstances that warrant a further delay, but if these are sent to me I can verify them in a formal "delay of game" post.

I'm not too sure, in retrospect (versus a couple of weeks ago) that I favor the option of "Googlie plays the turn relying on his interpretation of the discussion therads re forward moves, etc" (to paraphrase) - I've played out about fifty years and things get hairy, and I'd hate to be the scapegoat for a decision that in hindsight cost a base or two, or an SP, or whatever.

I'm in favor of the absolute sanction:

Turn time, followed by grace period, then, absent any special circumstances, open and immediately close the turn, repercussions be damned

That's my 2 cents worth (devalued, of course, 'cos they're Canadian)

G.

[Nubclear]

First time:

10 public lashings from Googliegod to leader of faction

Second time:

Googliegod simply presses 'end turn'.

[Drogue]

I agree with GooglieGods idea. I am more and more thinking that having him play it puts way to much stress onto him.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Googlie
re the time diffs - click on the civgroups at top right list and you'll see:

Peace................ from GMT - 8 to GMT + 1
PUT ................... from GMT - 8 to GMT + 10
CC ..................... from GMT - 8 to GMT + 1
Drones .............. from GMT -8 to GMT +1
Hive .................. from GMT - 10 to GMT + 10

Astounding! Who would have thought that the Hive, who were accused of being wanting to put others into disadvantage, are actually the one in the most disadvantaged place!

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Drogue
I agree with GooglieGods idea. I am more and more thinking that having him play it puts way to much stress onto him.

Didn't I say that we shouldn't work him till he vomits blood? for anybody who even considers asking him to play for yourself.