ACDGIV Proposal

[Mart]

Still the best way is to have a CMN setup everything. Boosted AI have to be also properly placed on the map too, in my experience often super AI (with improved faction files) when placed by the game itself on some starting location screw things up big.

[vyeh]

Do we have a CMN?

Otherwise, we can generate a random map.

[Hercules]

I am warming to the proposal re the Believers and of course I will be in: it would be a kinda of cardinal sin not to be.

[vyeh]

Originally posted by mart7x5
Well, I am sorry to point it out, but it has to be said.
In this poll

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150577

I count presently:
6 for SMAniaC
9 for Vanila SMAX
So it looks like vanila has preference.

Originally posted by Maniac
The 'two or more of the above' were for SMAniaC, so it's actually SMAniaC 8 - vanilla 9. But yeah, vanilla SMAX still has a slight majority. However I don't see any of the pro-vanilla voters busy in setting up a DG. If they want one, they'll have to organize it themselves of course...
(the result of that poll is why I haven't bothered much anymore with DG discussion and polling btw - sorry vyeh)

Please note that the poll did NOT produce a majority. The current results are:
6 for SMAniaC
4 for boosted, assisted vanilla
3 for boosted, non-assisted vanilla
2 for non-boosted, assisted vanilla
2 for two or more of the above
1 not playing

When I saw the poll did not produce a majority, I posted a thread "Discussion about SMAniaC in ACDGIV" and begged for comments from people opposed to SMAniac ("I'd like to hear from you and particularly welcome reasons why people do not want to play SMAniaC.")

At this point, there are two responses from Player99 and fed1943 and both are IN FAVOR of SMAniaC.

Please note that SMAniaC received a plurality (the most votes of any of the choices). It is very dangerous to assume that all the people voting for the vanilla choices (boosted or not, assisted or not) would be willing to play any vanilla game. Conceivably, there could be people who would prefer playing a boosted vanilla game, but would prefer an unassisted SMAniaC to an assisted vanilla.

Since SMAniaC received the most votes and most of the people who are putting forth the creative effort are willing to try SMAniaC, we should go with SMAniaC.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
Btw, Googlie, you said in the other thread you'd prefer Morgan more. There's nothing preventing you to form some corporate faction within the Conclave. Didn't eg Endymion have something like that?

Good point - and there's nothing to prevent the conclave (B's) from running Dem/FM/Wealth if they so wish - it's Knowledge that's their aversion

Be sorta like the CEO of the Vatican Bank getting elected Pope? No?

[Mart]

CMN
In a few days Darsnan should be around.
How about asking him to setup the game?
Unless he wants to join the Order

[Mart]

There seem to be moderate enthusiasm for a new DG now.
So either the game will start now with limited members and later it will grow, as new people join or we still discuss it.
Both ways have advantages and disadvantages.

We could start to play and keep everything open, so more people get interested.

[Maniac]

The 'two or more of the above' were for SMAniaC, so it's actually SMAniaC 8 - vanilla 9. But yeah, vanilla SMAX still has a slight majority. However I don't see any of the pro-vanilla voters busy in setting up a DG. If they want one, they'll have to organize it themselves of course...
(the result of that poll is why I haven't bothered much anymore with DG discussion and polling btw - sorry vyeh)

[Mart]

Well, I am sorry to point it out, but it has to be said.
In this poll

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150577

I count presently:
6 for SMAniaC
9 for Vanila SMAX
So it looks like vanila has preference.

[Maniac]

Btw, Googlie, you said in the other thread you'd prefer Morgan more. There's nothing preventing you to form some corporate faction within the Conclave. Didn't eg Endymion have something like that?

[Googlie]

I can prolly CMN this one - although I want to participate in an SPDG, this currently proposed one just isn't turning my crank

[vyeh]

They may be on spring break

Originally posted by PJayTycy
There seems to be a lack of players currently.

Maybe we shouldn't start a demogame at all ?

They may be on spring break. Let's wait a week.

Once we agree on a game, we can (with the moderator's permission) put a short post on the other AC forums. That may attract other players.

If Maniac doesn't believe we need CMN assistance and no one wants to just be the CMN, we can forego the CMN assistance. For that matter, we could generate a random map (so Maniac can be involved in the exploration). I threw in the AI boosted and assisted because Humphrey on the "modified v. vanilla" thread was interested in "SMAniaC + boosted". He didn't say "assisted" and Maniac had pointed out earlier that the boosted AI's seem to be quite capable of holding up, so I think we can forego the assistance.

[PJayTycy]

There seems to be a lack of players currently.

Maybe we shouldn't start a demogame at all ?

[Illuminatus]

Yes, that is precisely why I asked who is the CMN.

[Maniac]

Yes, let's get started!

Regarding CMN, I would be willing to set the game up, regarding map and AI starting positions. I could still participate in the ACDG then - I just would keep my mouth shut in exploration discussions.

Of course I couldn't assist the AI midgame then.