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**vyeh** · April 1, 2006, 10:11

Re: SPDG-SMAniaC setup

Originally posted by mart7x5
1) Opponents. Will we play with all new 7 factions? or mixture of original smac, smax and some new? Templar is new faction.

We are Believers. Maniac is creating an Order called the Templars, but the faction is the Believers aka the Conclave.

Other factions are the original SMAC factions: Gaians, Hive, Morgan, Peacekeepers, Spartans, and University.

Originally posted by mart7x5
2) Other setup:

I'll put forth my choices below.

Low erosion, abundant life and sparse clouds create a game where more terraforming is required.

Trancend and intense rivalry add to the difficulty of the game.

No scatter adds to the difficulty of the game since there are fewer "goodies"

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Preference..	|	Settings

Map size	|	Standard
Ocean		|	Standard
Erosion		|	Low
Life		|	Abundant
Clouds		|	Sparse
Difficulty	|	Transcend

Transcend	|	Yes
Conquest	|	Yes
Diplomatic	|	Yes
Economic	|	Yes
Cooperative	|	Yes
Do or Die	|	Yes
Flexible start	|	Yes
Tech stag	|	No
Spoils of war	|	Yes
Blind research	|	No
Intense riv	|	Yes
No survey	|	Yes
No scatter	|	Yes
No rnd events	|	No
Time Warp	|	No
Iron man	|	No
Rand person	|	No
Rand social	|	No

**bluetemplar** · April 1, 2006, 10:31

Low erosion & sparse clouds AFAIK will create pockets of rainy tiles in an otherwise arid desert ...
Maybe it will be more interesting to roleplay, but maybe some of the "provinces" will be too favored versus other and maybe it's not that good...
I wanted just point it out.

Will the AI be able to cope as well as the humans with abundant life and sparse clouds? He's inherently poor at terraforming!
(Maybe remove the -1 Nutrient for Mines and increase a bit the Mine terraforming turns, or move it a bit up the tech tree?)

Will not intense rivalry lessen our diplomatic options? Or will it reduce the probability that we abuse the AI?

No scatter reduces the roleplay in the game since there are fewer "events".

**GeoModder** · April 1, 2006, 12:16

AI performs best at dense clouds, at least in the vanilla game.

**fed1943** · April 1, 2006, 13:28

It depends how harsh we want the chalenge.As Vieh said,there are choices that make the game dificult,but there also two (spoils of war and standart,not bigger than that)that make it easier.I would like more large map,but no problem,I agree.
Best regards,

**bluetemplar** · April 1, 2006, 18:48

About the AI factions:

Maybe random is better? (And we swear not looking up what these factions are until contact with them)

Or maybe the best is to give the choice to the CMN's since they will be responsible for them...

For my part I would like to see all sorts of factions:
At least one Green with heavy support of native life/techs, at least one warmongering, at least one builder... I would like also to see the Pirates : they would "fill" the oceans and make for us planning a n attack by the sea harder (since the AI doesn't really know how to handle it, it would be less disadvantaged).

Or maybe go FULL SMAniaC for something more refreshing (and less "don't do it that way because we KNOW this is less efficient")

About the map size:
I think it's important to link the map size to the expected number of active players / Bishops !
Will not a standard map be too small? Especially if the bases are set up the way that there is NO or little overlap!

**Maniac** · April 1, 2006, 21:46

Re: SPDG-SMAniaC setup

My preferences assuming SMAniaC is used:

SMAniaC has a modified world builder btw. Native life and raininess is already increased with the average settings. I've attached a zip file containing nine average-setting maps created by the SMAniaC world builder in case anyone wants to have a look. Don't forget to open them under SMAniaC if you want to see the correct raininess level!

Originally posted by vyeh
No scatter adds to the difficulty of the game since there are fewer "goodies"

But it removes the fun and incentive for exploring.

Originally posted by bluetemplar About the map size:
I think it's important to link the map size to the expected number of active players / Bishops !
Will not a standard map be too small? Especially if the bases are set up the way that there is NO or little overlap!

What better incentive for conquest than a possible lack of expansion room?

**Maniac** · April 1, 2006, 21:50

da dum

Attached Files

smaniacstandardmaps.zip (144.9 KB, 127 views)

**vyeh** · April 5, 2006, 14:31

Re: Re: SPDG-SMAniaC setup

Originally posted by Maniac
My preferences assuming SMAniaC is used:

No rnd events | No, except solar spots. Perhaps the game should be edited by a CMN to end them as soon as they start

Those solar spots were really frustrating in ACDGIII!

I can support Maniac's choices.

**Mead** · April 5, 2006, 21:27

How did the rule that helicopters can't attack bases work out in ACDGIII?

I wasn't around anytime during the helicopter era.
Was it a good rule?

Do we want it again in this one?

Mead

**Maniac** · April 5, 2006, 21:48

Originally posted by Mead
Was it a good rule?

I think it worked very good.

Needlejets stayed the main method of bombing bases, and choppers were hardly used (at least while I was still active). Perhaps choppers are even too weak now.

We Spartans had the choice to research MMI earlier if we wanted, but we chose another tech b-line. So MMI wasn't anymore the must-have tech. As a consequence of course the Angels managed to build the Cyborg Factory.

Do we want it again in this one?

In SMAniaC chopper movement is halved from 10 to 5, so if that mod is used, I think the rule wouldn't be necessary.

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