Road Maintenance in the Boonies

[Hermann the Lombard]

Simple question that hadn't occurred to me: do you pay maintenance for roads that you built that are outside your territory?

[pdxsean]

Yes. You pay maintenance if you build it, but not if someone else did. However, if your border expands and the road someone else built ends up inside your territory, you then start paying maintenance on it. Conversely, if you build a road in neutral territory and someone else's border encroaches, they should take the cost from you.

[rah]

Yeah if you own CSs, it's always good if you can build roads on their land to connect your cities because you get the trade route bonus without paying for that section of your road network. (another bonus for using CSs.)

[Felch]

I like how rah betrays him American roots by referring to an alliance with a city-state as ownership.

[rah]

Yep, they're bought and paid for.
One of the good things you can say about CIV V. As long as you make sure they're continually paid off, you can trust them. Unlike IV where I got attacked by a civ that I was +17 with.

[Lord Byte]

Pay attention! If the city state is no longer allied the trade-route is broken (even friends), and if you are in the same team multiplayer, if your road goes even one tile through your team-member's border it no longer counts as a trade route Very annoying!

[Sir Og]

I have a feeling that fog of war also cancels trade routes.

I had a game where I conquered some civ and raised most of their cities. As a result there were a lot of roads left in the wilderness. those roads were connecting the capitol of said civ (which I had to keep) with my other cites but there seemed to be no trade route.

I thought that this was due to the fact that portions of the road were always covered in fog of war. Maybe the roads did not count because they were not built by me.

[rah]

Pay attention! If the city state is no longer allied the trade-route is broken (even friends), and if you are in the same team multiplayer, if your road goes even one tile through your team-member's border it no longer counts as a trade route Very annoying!

Once I buy them, short of them being conquered, they stay mine. And if they're part of my trade network, they never get conquered.

[notyoueither]

I have a feeling that fog of war also cancels trade routes.

I had a game where I conquered some civ and raised most of their cities. As a result there were a lot of roads left in the wilderness. those roads were connecting the capitol of said civ (which I had to keep) with my other cites but there seemed to be no trade route.

I thought that this was due to the fact that portions of the road were always covered in fog of war. Maybe the roads did not count because they were not built by me.

I'm positive this isn't true. I am sure I have had road links going through fogged areas. It would be easy enough to verify.

[panther553212]

I'm positive this isn't true. I am sure I have had road links going through fogged areas. It would be easy enough to verify.

This would actually make sense to me as in my last game I took over a couple of capitals on another continent and occassionally I would get the cities were connected to my capital message and could never figure out what the cause was. In hindsight I think it was from moving my units to uncover the road that made the trade route to the city with the harbor.

[notyoueither]

Do you mean you were exploring the land and revealing the map, or that you had already explored everything and cities popped in and out of your trade network based on where your units could see?

[panther553212]

I mean that I had explored everything but as I was moving across the continent to another target as my units removed the fog of war it would connect the trade route for the two turns it took them to move through the area.

[Jaybe]

Dissension!
While I agree that we have been told that we pay for roads we build outside our borders, I have compared costs and that seems to be false.

Check tile maint. costs; build road(s) outside of borders; check costs again.

[Thoth]

Road maintenance. What an awesome idea.


Because road spam was such an obviously broken mechanic in Civ games.