Thoughts on improvements

[Ariovistus Maximus]

^ Good points; precisely what I was trying to say.

[MxM]

^ Okay, I see what your saying. In one way that makes sense, but in another way it seems strange to introduce a whole new feature and then making it underpowered.

Just for fun, play as Alexander/Greece and focus on Patronage. Then tell me that they are underpowered.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Okay, just to be clear by "underpowered" I mean less powerful than the other CS's.

And again, your comparison of the different city-states to the different types of terrain actually makes sense to me. I get what you're saying about why different CS's should be... different.

[Louis XXIV]

I was going to try and test this out and befriend just militaristic city-states and see what happens. Then I looked at my Steam stats and discovered I played 48 hours in the past two weeks. I think I need to impose an intervention. If I bump this thread next week, that's the reason.

That being said, I do feel they need a little bit more to help make them worthwhile. I suggested the unit XP thing. I still feel that, if they kept the unit spawn, and gave the +5 XP, it would make it worthwhile without being too powerful. In other words, I want to make sure people are willing to use them to their full potential (rather than see them as a juicy target always).

[Ming]

If you are going for a large empire, the cultural CS's are actually underpowered. With each city increasing the threshold for the next policy, after your empire is huge, you aren't going to be getting much value from the extra culture they provide. Maybe they need to upgrade those as well

[Ariovistus Maximus]

^ Actually I was thinking that too. Maritime City-States are demonstrably stronger than the rest. So perhaps rather than buffing up the others, they simply need maritime cities to be toned down a bit.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Oops double-post.

[Louis XXIV]

If you are going for a large empire, the cultural CS's are actually underpowered. With each city increasing the threshold for the next policy, after your empire is huge, you aren't going to be getting much value from the extra culture they provide. Maybe they need to upgrade those as well

A fair point, but, if you're going for a cultural victory, it's not like you want a large empire anyway.

^ Actually I was thinking that too. Maritime City-States are demonstrably stronger than the rest. So perhaps rather than buffing up the others, they simply need maritime cities to be toned down a bit.

This could be true as well. I've heard the suggestion of limiting the total food by the number of cities (so it will either not cover every city in a large empire or will spread it out so it doesn't do much). Still, I feel a slight tweak in favor of militaristic while nerfing maritime might be something to consider.

Also, I believe militaristic sends troops based on their tech progression. This is great if they're keeping pace with everyone else. If you liberate a City-State that has been gone for awhile, expect some really crappy units.

[MxM]

Also, I believe militaristic sends troops based on their tech progression. This is great if they're keeping pace with everyone else. If you liberate a City-State that has been gone for awhile, expect some really crappy units.

No, I believe they send troops according to the allied civ tech level, that it yours.

[Guynemer]

Well, the last two units Belgrade gifted me were a scout and an archer, whilst my forces consist of musketmen, samurai, and lancers.

[Fidel]

Well, that is our way of paying you back for the NATO bombing.

[Louis XXIV]

No, I believe they send troops according to the allied civ tech level, that it yours.

I once liberated Belgrade and they sent me lancers, while I was using Mech Inf. It was pretty consistent too, nothing better.

Although the post below yours leads me to believe that maybe it's just Belgrade

[Fidel]

Do not worry, you can use those archers to shoot down stealth bombers and still silence any phalanx/tank complaint.

[MxM]

Well, the last two units Belgrade gifted me were a scout and an archer, whilst my forces consist of musketmen, samurai, and lancers.

Strange, usually if I have a breakthrough military technology (if I concentrate on it), then the next unit that AI gives me is of that technology, that is it will never give me warrior if I already have swordsman.

But I do believe that AI first decides which unit to give (melee, ranged, cavalry or artillery), and if you have, for example, archer as the best ranged unit available for you, then it will give it to you even if you can have musketmen. Musketmen are melee unit, so it does not count against archer. I bet you could build archers yourself when it happen.

[Guynemer]

Nope. I had crossbowmen.