Info regarding Cities and Happiness

[gdijedi7]

I'd say that it doesn't particularly help you if invaders adopt your culture.

Greece had more culture (in Civ terms) than Rome, but even with Rome adopting Greek culture wholescale (in many areas), Greece was still just another conquered nation.

[Provost Harrison]

And a circus (I can only pray that CivV will not be the first Civ to prominently feature clowns) in Rome makes people happier everywhere, including Tokyo and Rio?

I was in the Circus in Rome only a few weeks ago, and trust me, there were no clowns there

[Boracks]

I was in the Circus in Rome (...) there were no clowns there

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

It looks like they are keeping to the Civ idea, forcing the player to make many decisions while keeping it flexible enough that there's no one 'correct' way to go.

Be interesting to see how cities work out on a hex system with a 3 hex radius, and how that affects city placement. Going to be a lot of rethinking there.

[Theben]

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

I think he looked around and didn't see any.

[Dinner]

I'll wait to see how happiness actually works in Civ5 before passing final judgment but I don't like this collective happiness system.

[Dinner]

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

PH got "clowned".

[Felch]

Collective happiness sounds like a great idea. It reduces micromanagement, and it looks like an anti-ICS factor.

[Sabre2th]

Collective happiness sounds like a great idea. It reduces micromanagement, and it looks like an anti-ICS factor.

That's exactly my thinking on it. I get that a lot of people don't like change and that some actually enjoy insane micromanagement, but I'm having trouble seeing a downside to this. That's especially true for those times when your terrain is sub-par. Your smaller cities won't waste nearly all their time just trying not to suck.

Obviously, it all depends on their implementation, but I like the concept.

[Brael]

I like empire wide happy, but I'm not a fan of cities costing unhappy just by existing (in addition to their population) and building maintenance coming back. My concern is that it's going to put the focus on having a small number of max tile cities, unlike civ 4 where the focus is on being able to efficiently work your good land, the fact that cities jump from 18 to to 36 workable tiles reinforces this idea to me.

[Dinner]

Collective happiness sounds like a great idea. It reduces micromanagement, and it looks like an anti-ICS factor.

Couldn't they have just used maintenance costs like in Civ4 if they wanted to combat ICS?

[Brael]

Collective happiness sounds like a great idea. It reduces micromanagement, and it looks like an anti-ICS factor.

I have to disagree, with empire wide happiness, depending on how much happy buildings contribute I can see a handful of strong cities being able to support a lot of weaker ones. If anything I would say it contributes to ICS.

[Dinner]

If one looks at ancient Rome do you really think what was happening in Britain routinely effected the happiness of the people in Syria?

[OzzyKP]

The circus is most probably more the Roman circus... (I hope)

National happiness: Good! That makes you feel more like you run a nation then a bunch of cities!

Workers: Good! (hope they have a good automation AI though)

I'm glad that specialists work the same. building maintenance costs return from Civ3 (or civ2?). Not sure yet if I like that. Must know the entire city maintenance structure first.

Natural wonders sound very cool. Another reason for a war as well!
I hope that wonders won't lose cultural output when captured. (as in Civ4). That aways made no sense at all, and worked terrible b/c you suddenly had to fight a lot of culture of the old civ with no culture at all. As if the Pyramids suddenly lose their cultural output after a new civ took over Cairo.

Yea, I agree with all of this. Everything sounds awesome except the building maintenance.

[Elok]

If one looks at ancient Rome do you really think what was happening in Britain routinely effected the happiness of the people in Syria?

Okay, so you actually give a damn about verisimilitude. By my count, that makes two of us on this board...the idea of either all your cities being in revolt (or close to it) or else more or less content, simultaneously, strikes me as a bit silly. But no sillier than nations going to war to secure possession of the Grand Canyon. A bit less silly, actually.

[Dinner]

I actually had to look up the definition of verisimilitude.