Civ III Mac: 1.29 Patch/PtW Fears ...

[Gatekeeper]

... if this isn't ported to the Macintosh, I really have no reason to drop $2000 on one of those new iMacs. I'd just as well spend the same dollar amount on a good PC system and, well, learn to love WindowsXP alongside my old iMac.

I'm one of those folks who doesn't demand much from their computer. I want to:

1. Surf the Internet.
2. Type papers, prepare presentations.
3. Conduct online research.
4. Play games like Civ III.

If I'm going to shell out premium bucks for a Macintosh, it'd better be able to do all four of the above tasks. As it stand now, it would have 1, 2, and 3, but not 4 in its entirety. Furthermore, I don't know if I'd still be able to play Civ II in the 10.2 Jaguar OS environment (is MacOS 9.2 part of 10.2?).

So, as it stands now, a PC may be in my future, not a Macintosh. And the sad thing is, I *love* the Mac platform. But I suppose I could learn to work w/WXP as well.

**sigh** Here's to still hoping 1.29 and PtW come to the Macintosh platform.

Gatekeeper

[FlameFlash]

Re: Civ III Mac: 1.29 Patch/PtW Fears ...

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
... if this isn't ported to the Macintosh, I really have no reason to drop $2000 on one of those new iMacs. I'd just as well spend the same dollar amount on a good PC system and, well, learn to love WindowsXP alongside my old iMac.

It's completly up to you, of course, but... well, I'll go into it in a moment...

I'm one of those folks who doesn't demand much from their computer. I want to:

1. Surf the Internet.
2. Type papers, prepare presentations.
3. Conduct online research.
4. Play games like Civ III.

I have a feeling that's what your average computer user does no matter the platform...

If I'm going to shell out premium bucks for a Macintosh, it'd better be able to do all four of the above tasks. As it stand now, it would have 1, 2, and 3, but not 4 in its entirety. Furthermore, I don't know if I'd still be able to play Civ II in the 10.2 Jaguar OS environment (is MacOS 9.2 part of 10.2?).

Actually, with the Classic environment (OS 9.2) being stabilized, I would wager it would/should work. I can post more on this when I have a copy of X.2 myself... I do know that while SMAC/SMAX has been carbonized by a fan of the game, it works fine in Classic as well. Likewise, most older programs work unless they're overly processor heavy, so Civ II shouldn't be a problem at all.

So, as it stands now, a PC may be in my future, not a Macintosh. And the sad thing is, I *love* the Mac platform. But I suppose I could learn to work w/WXP as well.

**sigh** Here's to still hoping 1.29 and PtW come to the Macintosh platform.

Gatekeeper

And now for what I was about to actually make a new thread about:

For those of you Mac users who haven't bought Civ III yet, buy it if you've been contemplating it. If you love your Mac OS operating system enough to remain loyal to it, even over a Civ game, then you are truely loyal.

Also, the more of us who do buy into Civ III the more likely it becomes for the people who sells these games to go... we've sold only ((a bad estimate)) 10,000 copies of Civ III for Mac? No point in putting any more work in it then, forget about the 1.29 patch and PtW translations, there's no demand.

Likewise:
We've sold 100,000 ((probably another bad estimate)) that's a whole lot more than we expected... maybe it would be worth it to figure out a way to make PtW for Mac... let's do it! The demand certainly looks like it's there, and our tech department is tired of the floods of e-mail coming in about bugs that the 1.29 patch would fix, so let's do both.

Of course, nobody can easily predict a business, nor the gamer world, but if we could get a PtW campaign going and enough Mac users pledging that they'd buy PtW and CivIII for the Mac... and the CivIII Mac owners already out there pledge to buy PtW... well, we might just have something that would tell the computer world that Mac gaming should be respected and catered to...

But that's just my two cents and wishful thinking...

What does the small but vocal Mac community here think?

[Drake Tungsten]

... if this isn't ported to the Macintosh, I really have no reason to drop $2000 on one of those new iMacs. I'd just as well spend the same dollar amount on a good PC system and, well, learn to love WindowsXP alongside my old iMac.

I'm one of those folks who doesn't demand much from their computer. I want to:

1. Surf the Internet.
2. Type papers, prepare presentations.
3. Conduct online research.
4. Play games like Civ III.

If I'm going to shell out premium bucks for a Macintosh, it'd better be able to do all four of the above tasks. As it stand now, it would have 1, 2, and 3, but not 4 in its entirety.

I'm in the same boat as you, Gatekeeper. I'm planning on buying a new Mac very soon and Civ III-PTW was one of the major reasons. If it doesn't get ported, I don't know if I'll be buying a new computer. I don't think that I'll swtich to Windows, but I might just stick with the old Mac I have now. New games are really the only thing I need a faster processor for.

[FlameFlash]

Soon to be getting X.2... Gatekeeper, I'll keep you posted on if Civ II works since nobody else has responded.

[Kingof the Apes]

Wow, I never knew this mac forum existed!

Anyway, I have been tempted to get a Windows, but the rants on PTW have put me off for a while.
I hope they have a mac version, or I'll have to join the Dark Side...

[Gatekeeper]

Drake Tungsten:

I'll probably stick with my current iMac as long as possible, too. I suppose I'd have to at least update my OS if I keep it longer than another year, though, to at least 8.6 and maybe 9.x.

Gatekeeper

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Flameflash:

Hey, thanks. If Civ II does indeed work in that environment, it will be one more reason to stay with Apple.

Gatekeeper

[Wiglaf]

Really XP isn't all bad. It has been locking up on me quite a bit recently but I guess that's nothing macs don't do.

Since I don't play many games on it, though, I'm better off hogging the apple. But it looks like your loyalty to civ is conflicting with your loyalty to apple, which is odd because apple is causing the conflict of time, loyalty, etc in the first place.

Aren't you in journalism? There I could see macs helping you out considerably, with their durability and such...esp considering the way I see XP rebooting now..welll, at least the decision can wait a while until PtW-Mac's future becomes clearer.

Btw, I heard you have a medical situation, GK - hope thats going well.

[Gatekeeper]

Wiglaf:

We use Macintosh computers at work for putting together our product. I also have an iMac of my own at home, but that's used strictly for personal stuff like gaming, surfing and writing.

As for my medical situation — diabetes or near diabetes — I won't know more on that for few more weeks. Fortunately, I appear to have good insurance through my employer ... so it shouldn't break my bank having to pay "x" amount of money monthly for medication and supplies to keep my condition in check (or even get rid of it, if I can drop weight and control my carb intake). I'm also looking into getting a good exercise bike so I can work out a bit in my home.

Gatekeeper

[EJDay]

Re: Civ III Mac: 1.29 Patch/PtW Fears ...

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Furthermore, I don't know if I'd still be able to play Civ II in the 10.2 Jaguar OS environment (is MacOS 9.2 part of 10.2?).

Works fine on X.2 and I've got a haggard old TiBook 400. The only issue I've had is running iTunes underneath (iTunes goes "unquittable" but it's nothing fatal).

[Drake Tungsten]

Wow, Wiglaf is alive.

[FlameFlash]

Re: Re: Civ III Mac: 1.29 Patch/PtW Fears ...

Originally posted by EJDay

Works fine on X.2 and I've got a haggard old TiBook 400. The only issue I've had is running iTunes underneath (iTunes goes "unquittable" but it's nothing fatal).

Those are my findings too (installed X.2 last night and tested CivII just for you GateKeeper.)

Anyway, the one issue I did notice is that you have to set the Dock to automatically hide... otherwise it just gets in the way.

[Gatekeeper]

EJDay, FlameFlash:

Excellent news! Thanks for doing the testing ... BTW, how does the game launch in 10.2.x? Can you be in that environment and the game launches automatically into the Classic environment? Does the same hold true if you're editing the RULES.TXT and CITY.TXT files to personalize Civ II?

Gatekeeper

[FlameFlash]

Yes, it just launches right into Classic.

As far as the editing goes... how are you editing it? I mean, if you're just using a text editor then really it'll probably just be edited in X.2 unless you're using a Classic text editor.

[Gatekeeper]

FlameFlash:

I just use SimpleText to edit those files. Game works fine.

Gatekeeper

[FlameFlash]

Then yeah... it'll be fine.