Beyond Civ4

[Brent]

It sounds like the Civ4 list will be wrapped up soon and some people think it's time for ideas to be for Civ5. Which ideas are good but won't have any chance of being in Civ4? Which could be in expansions? Which would have to wait for Civ5? What new ideas do you have for Civ4 expansions or Civ5? Would we need endorsement from Firaxis before starting a Civ5 list? Would ideas for expansions be submitted similarly to the current list?

Does a game need more details for fewer civs to be a sequel? Or can other things take the place of this? In the past I have expressed a desire to have every civ ever in a civ game eventually, but I guess there would be sure to be some that some people would wish were in but weren't, like maybe the Picts. Different people would include and exclude different peoples in what they would want.

I would want expansions to be mostly scenarios, which would include many more civs, which could easily be ported to the main game. I would want each expansion to have more scenarios than in any single Civ2 or Civ3 expansion, but naturally not all of the civs in the scenarios would be new.

[Trifna]

Re: Beyond Civ4

I would like to see some version of cIV List where only simple stuff that seems coherent with Firaxis would be included. I like Firaxis' direction, even though this does not mean I like everything of it. It's a game for everyone, and so history (and history gaming) should be. Wether for Civ 5, Civ 4 expansion or else, I would aim for that.

I would GREATLY appreciate a comment from Firaxis reviewing what was done so it can be done better, more well adapted, but I don't expect anything like that. Firaxis is a company, and even if we don't know all the reasons, they do not automatically communicate liberally with the exterior. They have their intern dynamism of their own.

[Vince278]

Lets wait and see what Civ4 looks like first.

[Trifna]

When there is a disadvantage to make something in advance, I agree. When there is no disadvantage, bettwer do homework now than tommorrow (espescially when it's fun) even if some around wont get into it.

cIV will change certain things, but not a structure that
we discuss. There will be an expansion pack anyway, quite possibly a ciV. There need to be a use for not doing something earlier, even if I know some wont get in since they don't have a pressure to do so yet.

Besides, the cIV List will arrive when the game is probably already organized, and it will probably not be adapted to Firaxis' needs.

[Max Sinister]

If Civ4 is cIV, shouldn't Civ5 be ciV then? ;-)

[Jon Shafer]

It's not cIV, it's CIV.

[Brent]

Civ4 and Civ5 look better to me.

[Dinner]

Why don't you wait for Civ 4 to come out before you worry about Civ5. Since Firaxis just bought the rights to Civ this week I doubt we'll see Civ4 much before January 2006 but more likely summer 2006. That would give them 12-18 months to design the game and write the code.

[Brent]

I guess that much delay won't make much difference to me. Jan06 certainly wouldn't mean more likelyhood of List ideas trickling into the game. But since they've been working on it and it's all theirs now, I don't understand why the schedule would necessarily change.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Why don't you wait for Civ 4 to come out before you worry about Civ5. Since Firaxis just bought the rights to Civ this week I doubt we'll see Civ4 much before January 2006 but more likely summer 2006. That would give them 12-18 months to design the game and write the code.

They have already been working on it, so whats your point here?

[Dinner]

New owners with new ideas and new priorities.

[Robert]

2006 is too late.
It'll be 2005, somewhere between may and november.
They've been working for over a year on it already.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Oerdin
New owners with new ideas and new priorities.

For some reason I really dont thinbk an owner is going to pay 25 million for a franchise and then completely change it all around.

I just dont see that happening

[Trifna]

Originally posted by Max Sinister
If Civ4 is cIV, shouldn't Civ5 be ciV then? ;-)

Yep, I already put a copyright on it



I don't think that the Civ franchise will be changed all around, by Firaxis said "1/3 same, 1/3 same but better, 1/3 new". And the new part will be on the line of simple and efficient, adding to fun-factor, user-friendly.

That's why I think that the List could be adapted to this somehow. It does not stop others to discuss the whole issues, but maybe a part should aim at "simple and efficient", which is not about Apolytonian demand, but about something for everyone to appreciate (serious history/civ fans as casual gamers).

[Robert]

Yep, I already put a copyright on it

What the f.....
I claimed cIv, cIIv, cIIIV, ciV, ciVI and ciVII already. don't take it away from me