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  • Apple Releases iBook G4

    The most powerful Mac laptops and desktops ever. Supercharged by Apple silicon. MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac, Mac mini, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro.


    I might get me one. Maybe.
    HAVE A DAY.
    <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

  • #2
    It looks intersting, was surprised to see the ibook go G4. I think the best thing about the whole update is that the lowend model now has a slot loading combo drive to make it a much better buy in my opinion. Could we see G5's in the powerbooks by later next year is what i'm wondering now with this update.

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    • #3
      Exactly.

      What I'm stuck between right now is getting that perfect balance of performance, screen size and price in a portable.

      Right now, the 14" 1GHz iBook is great as far as the price and screen size, but of course iBooks don't have G5s yet and likely won't get them for at least another year.

      On the Powerbook line, about the most I can afford right now is the 12 inch model. I would like to see a G5 update for the Powerbooks and a price drop, so at least I might be able to afford a 15" model with a G5 processor! Sweet!
      Last edited by Mr. Nice Guy; October 22, 2003, 18:51.
      HAVE A DAY.
      <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
      "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
      For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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      • #4
        Of course, the G4 iBooks are basically G3s with some kind of kick up, but it's still cool that they're classified as G4s now.
        I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

        Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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        • #5
          Hooray, now we're only 3 years behind PC laptop performance instead of 4.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Asher
            Hooray, now we're only 3 years behind PC laptop performance instead of 4.
            How typical of a Mac basher to say such things.

            And the gap is only going to close even faster now, Ash Mash!
            HAVE A DAY.
            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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            • #7
              I don't think so. It'll be a while before G5s enter the scene.

              Intel's successor to the Centrino is a few short months away. 2GHz (Centrino tops out at 1.7 right now), more efficient innards, doubled the L2 cache to 2MB full-speed (G4 has 256KB of full-speed).

              Apple needs to play catchup quite fast. Exploding opularity of Centrino laptops with extremely long battery lifes, low weight, small size, and high performance can't be good for Apple's aging G4-based laptops.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                To give you a vague idea just how uncompetitive the G4 chips are in performance:

                SPECint2000:
                G4 1GHz: 306
                Centrino 1GHz: 673

                SPECfp2000:
                G4 1GHz: 187
                Centrino 1GHz: 547

                Keep in mind that Centrino hits 1.7GHz right now, and performance will be even higher per-clock while hitting 2GHz with twice the cache in a few months.

                Did I mention that the Centrino uses 33% of the power of the G4?
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  I don't think so. It'll be a while before G5s enter the scene.

                  Intel's successor to the Centrino is a few short months away. 2GHz (Centrino tops out at 1.7 right now), more efficient innards, doubled the L2 cache to 2MB full-speed (G4 has 256KB of full-speed).

                  Apple needs to play catchup quite fast. Exploding opularity of Centrino laptops with extremely long battery lifes, low weight, small size, and high performance can't be good for Apple's aging G4-based laptops.
                  Oh yeah, I've fallen for that one way too many times, Ash Mash. Yeah, right.
                  HAVE A DAY.
                  <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                  "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                  • #10
                    Nice sig, Cloud9, but I don't understand what the point of it is. If huge, obvious bugs slip through beta testing, the company has crap beta testing techniques. Period.

                    I'd love to see your response to the SPEC benchmarks. You can no longer say SPEC means nothing, unless you call Apple a liar, since they say:
                    The SPEC CPU2000 benchmark suite comprises four metrics — SPECint_base2000, SPECfp_base2000, SPECint_rate_base2000, and SPECfp_rate_base2000 — to represent different performance characteristics of the system.

                    SPECint_base2000 and SPECfp_base2000 measure the speed of a single task — either an integer calculation or a floating-point calculation — executing on a single processor. Each test measures how long the processor takes to complete the benchmark set of single tasks.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      I'd love to see your response to the SPEC benchmarks. You can no longer say SPEC means nothing, unless you call Apple a liar, since they say:
                      The SPEC CPU2000 benchmark suite comprises four metrics — SPECint_base2000, SPECfp_base2000, SPECint_rate_base2000, and SPECfp_rate_base2000 — to represent different performance characteristics of the system.

                      SPECint_base2000 and SPECfp_base2000 measure the speed of a single task — either an integer calculation or a floating-point calculation — executing on a single processor. Each test measures how long the processor takes to complete the benchmark set of single tasks.
                      That's not the point of my argument. You've gone completely off course.
                      HAVE A DAY.
                      <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                      "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                      For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                      • #12
                        What is the point of your argument?
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          And the gap is only going to close even faster now, Ash Mash!
                          HAVE A DAY.
                          <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                          "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                          For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                          • #14
                            That icon is fitting, because I can see -- in no way -- how that gap is doing anything but growing.

                            Wanna prove to me how Apple plans to beat a 2GHz Centrino with 2MB cache, or a mobile 3.4GHz Prescott with hyperthreading?
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              That icon is fitting, because I can see -- in no way -- how that gap is doing anything but growing.

                              Wanna prove to me how Apple plans to beat a 2GHz Centrino with 2MB cache, or a mobile 3.4GHz Prescott with hyperthreading?
                              Forget the technicalities. I'm focusing on the business side of things.

                              That icon is suppose to be you, btw.
                              HAVE A DAY.
                              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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