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**Panag** · May 16, 2003, 19:39

hi ,

check out panag's post in this thread > http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=84907

they still dont get it do they , ....

money talks and BS walks , .....

panag , and plenty of others are sick and tired to keep a second OS only to play one game , ....

maybe we should talk to Sid or Mike or Soren and do it ourselfs , .......

one can only wonder if certain ceo's wait to call the fire department also when its burning , ...... they wait till they see the flames coming out of the windows , .....

we should be creative and find a solution to this

have a nice day

**Gatekeeper** · May 16, 2003, 22:18

I went over to Civfanatics and checked out the Mac forum there; some threads were dealing with PtW and the Conquests expansion pack. From what I read, Macsoft doesn't sound like they're going to do *anything,* yet they won't come right out and say "No."

It's the seeming indecision that's annoying as well. I've waited for more than a fair amount of time in regards to Civ III and its expansion packs for the Mac ...

Gatekeeper

**Henrik** · May 17, 2003, 01:20

Remember what happened to civ 2, we didnt get CiC, we didnt get FW, but we did get MGE...

**Gatekeeper** · May 17, 2003, 04:54

Right now, I'd settle for the 1.29 patch and PtW. Everything else would be gravy.

Gatekeeper

**bradman** · May 17, 2003, 09:51

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Right now, I'd settle for the 1.29 patch and PtW. Everything else would be gravy.

That's not what your first post in this thread implies.

Anyway, download the Mac 1.29 beta 2 patch. The general feedback seems to be that it's ready for prime time. You can get it here: http://www.macmame.org/Civ3_129_b2.sit

**bradman** · May 17, 2003, 10:05

Originally posted by panag

they still dont get it do they , ....

money talks and BS walks , .....

panag , and plenty of others are sick and tired to keep a second OS only to play one game , ....

maybe we should talk to Sid or Mike or Soren and do it ourselfs ,

Do what yourself? Who doesn't get what? If you're going to start throwing around insults, can you please try and make your targets clear? I can't tell if you're insulting me because I'm not "doing it myself" or not.

**Panag** · May 17, 2003, 10:09

Originally posted by bradman

Do what yourself? Who doesn't get what? If you're going to start throwing around insults, can you please try and make your targets clear? I can't tell if you're insulting me because I'm not "doing it myself" or not.

hi ,

care to explain where the insult is , ....

i am not insulting you or anyone else , what are you talking about

have a nice day

**Gatekeeper** · May 17, 2003, 13:53

Originally posted by bradman
That's not what your first post in this thread implies.

Anyway, download the Mac 1.29 beta 2 patch. The general feedback seems to be that it's ready for prime time. You can get it here: http://www.macmame.org/Civ3_129_b2.sit

**shuffles feet** Yeah, well, it's hard for me remain upset for terribly long when it comes to 98 percent of things, and the status of Civ III PtW, et al., falls into that category.

The reasons I'm so "gung-ho" on PtW is that it contains the rest of the civilizations that were indigenous to Civ II (Spain, Vikings, Celts, et al.) and is supposed to have a few neat other things (although I understand that any MPGing would be limited to other Macintosh owners due to the code used in the PC version0.

I'll take a look at the 1.29 patch. If it is ready for prime time, that should give patch parity with the PC version of Civ III, right?

Gatekeeper

**bradman** · May 17, 2003, 14:02

Originally posted by panag

care to explain where the insult is , ....

i am not insulting you or anyone else , what are you talking about

Sure thing. You said that "they don't get it." Who is "they"? Am I a part of "they"? I don't know - I could be, but I do believe that I "get it".

I also know that if a Mac PTW port comes, I'll probably be the person working on it. Does your comment about talking to the Firaxis guys imply that I'm somehow preventing this? Or that if you asked them directly, through some miracle a Mac PTW port would burst forth simply because you wanted it to?

I'm not sure what rationale you have behind your arguments, other than you and a few dozen other Mac fanatics have voiced (of which I also consider myself) - quite firmly and forcefully - that you want a Mac port of PTW. That alone does not mean that it's a sound idea or that it should necessarily spring forth, borne from the wings of desire.

As Mac users, we have to face the reality that not every program that is important to us will make it to the MacOS. I'm not sure who you feel isn't understanding the situation, but all the players that I know would be involved with Mac PTW are both Mac-friendly and aware of the economic realities. Berating them for some perceived lack of understanding is, IMHO, not going to help one whit.

**Panag** · May 17, 2003, 15:35

Originally posted by bradman

Sure thing. You said that "they don't get it." Who is "they"? Am I a part of "they"? I don't know - I could be, but I do believe that I "get it".

I also know that if a Mac PTW port comes, I'll probably be the person working on it. Does your comment about talking to the Firaxis guys imply that I'm somehow preventing this? Or that if you asked them directly, through some miracle a Mac PTW port would burst forth simply because you wanted it to?

I'm not sure what rationale you have behind your arguments, other than you and a few dozen other Mac fanatics have voiced (of which I also consider myself) - quite firmly and forcefully - that you want a Mac port of PTW. That alone does not mean that it's a sound idea or that it should necessarily spring forth, borne from the wings of desire.

As Mac users, we have to face the reality that not every program that is important to us will make it to the MacOS. I'm not sure who you feel isn't understanding the situation, but all the players that I know would be involved with Mac PTW are both Mac-friendly and aware of the economic realities. Berating them for some perceived lack of understanding is, IMHO, not going to help one whit.

hi ,

, this is one misunderstanding , dont take it personal

"they" > the whole gaming industry , the people who make the rules , who tell you what project to work on etc , .....

they still dont get it , why wait and loose money ( they can make a lot ) by waiting months or a year before a pc game comes out in apple , ..... waiting to see , while loosing money , by the time the game comes out most people have moved to something else , ...... no-one drives around in an old car the bought for the prize of a new one , ......

you as a person are not preventing anything , you have not even started on it ( correct ? )

what they should do is a promotion stunt , and at the same time make loads of money , the release at the same time or within very short time frame of one and an other both the PC and apple version

about talking to Firaxis , well trying to sell them that idea , the fact that instead of listening to all those high payed hotshots who look at the stock exchange rather then making money , well those hotshots should for ones instead of being to ( read over ) carefull innovate something new , the PR and the sales would go sky high

"do it ourselfs" , well the people who make the game , instead of all the red tape license ( you know what i mean ) , ..... people like you , but they should start way more earlier instead of way to late ( not your fault )

loads of things are born on the wings of desire , civ itself , .... SID would have never ever though what he created would change the world

economic realities , well mass production meets mass consumption , ..... in the waiting and waiting money and customers are being lost , ......

keeping a windows up and running only for PTW

its a sad thing , it really is the only thing that that old pc is active actually , .... but not everyone is that fortunate , many people who own a mac at home have bought the PTW (pc) to play at work , ......

hope this explains a bit , and ones again , nothing is personal at you

btw , it aint going to be an easy job for you , .... with all the new "cats ( mac os ) , ..... but it could not have been in better hands

have a nice day

**Agathon** · May 17, 2003, 21:02

It'll probably make it to the mac, eventually. After all they must have lost a tremendous amount of money on Civ III if they aren't going to port PTW. Less people will by Civ III if PTW isn't available and most of the people who have Civ III will buy PTW.

**Panag** · May 17, 2003, 21:05

Originally posted by Agathon
It'll probably make it to the mac, eventually. After all they must have lost a tremendous amount of money on Civ III if they aren't going to port PTW. Less people will by Civ III if PTW isn't available and most of the people who have Civ III will buy PTW.

hi ,

and those who buy CIV III > PTW shall but Conquest , .... followed by whatever other XP that follows , .....

mass production leads to mass consumption

have a nice day

**Agathon** · May 17, 2003, 21:06

Yeah, it does seem extraordinarily silly not to port it. Look at all the Sims add ons that have made their way to the mac.

**Gatekeeper** · May 17, 2003, 22:01

Yech. The Sims are, like, so grody!

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