Italian UU

[Sheik]

I have added Italy to the game what should their UU be?

EDIT:

I have also added:
Argentina
South Africa
Cuba
Brazil

Some UU suggestions for these too would be nice. I would also like units that come after 1900.

[Antiochus VII]

I'd say a post c.1500 unit, just off the top of my head maybe

Alpini - mountain troops (in addition to infantry) say 8-8-1 all terrain as road

Galleass - oversized Venetian galleys (16th C), armed with 50-70 cannon though these were mostly light weapons (anti personnel) say 2-1-3 sinks in ocean

My ideas for Italy are pretty thin

[miccofl]

Italy after 1900? Hmm, how about the “Black-shirt,” weapon would be a billy club; animation would be a helmeted, black shirted thug brutally pummeling the victim into submission.

Argentina is a tough one, how about glass bottomed boats – so they can see the old Argentine navy. Make it a destroyer with the ability to carry a cruise missile or two.

South Africa should be something based on the Boers or something very modern. For a Boer unit you could use the explorer graphics give it the hidden nationality attribute, a decent defensive value, rapid movement and the ability to build a city with a pop cost of one. It goes out and captures workers and settlers pillaging the countryside and when it has had enough fun it can settle down.

Cuba - the “defector,” an amphibious unit that paddles off on a raft and joins another nearby civ would be the best choice but I don’t think that is possible. So instead use an infantry type unit, call it the “Mercenary,” and give it the hidden nationality attribute.

If I could have come up with a good uu for Brazil I would have used it in my scenario, so if anyone thinks of one I would be appreciative as well.

[Darkworld Ark]

Originally posted by miccofl
For a Boer unit you could use the explorer graphics give it the hidden nationality attribute, a decent defensive value, rapid movement and the ability to build a city with a pop cost of one.

Wouldn't the hidden nationality be useless for a UU?

"Sir, we're being attacked by Panzers!"
"It most be those damned Aztecs!"

[Ozymandias]

Bersaglieri

In WWII, the Italian army was essentially split along class lines, with bottom-rung troops being called "Ragruppamenti" and the elite "Bersaglieri"; this latter title is still retained (I believe) in the modern-day Italian national police force. So Bersaglieri or Alpini could be their elite UU troops.

Other possibilities are the mini-submarine (WWII) -- the Italians fielded some excellent "frogmen" -- and Italian light armor. This would be, I think, a novel approach to a UU, as it would be inferior to everyone else's armor yet less expensive as well (the same approach could also be taken to Japanese armor in WWII).

-Oz

[Antiochus VII]

If you did go this way (Light Armor) Smoking Mirror's T-26 wouldn't be too far off the Italian WW2 look (M-13/40 I'm thinking here)

[Sheik]

Thank you for the suggestions.

If I could have come up with a good uu for Brazil I would have used it in my scenario, so if anyone thinks of one I would be appreciative as well.

Brazil is a tough one.

[miccofl]

I think we might hav one! Check it: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=61100 see zeh's posts.

[Sheik]

Thank You, that was very helpful.

[LouLong]

Re: Bersaglieri

Originally posted by Ozymandias
In WWII, the Italian army was essentially split along class lines, with bottom-rung troops being called "Ragruppamenti" and the elite "Bersaglieri"; this latter title is still retained (I believe) in the modern-day Italian national police force. So Bersaglieri or Alpini could be their elite UU troops.

Other possibilities are the mini-submarine (WWII) -- the Italians fielded some excellent "frogmen" -- and Italian light armor. This would be, I think, a novel approach to a UU, as it would be inferior to everyone else's armor yet less expensive as well (the same approach could also be taken to Japanese armor in WWII).

-Oz

I second. Bersaglieri with their funny hats with feathers are typical of Italy.

In a different period, I would probably choose the condottiera, a kind of private army led by a warlord.
If one could implement different prices for different units, it should be cheap to build but 2 gold per turn for maintenance.

[TacticalGrace]

How many gears does an Italian tank have?

10. 1 forward gear and 9 reverse

(If you don't get it then go ask a Greek)

[Sheik]

Not a bad joke.

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
How many gears does an Italian tank have?

10. 1 forward gear and 9 reverse

(If you don't get it then go ask a Greek)

I got it.

[Dom Pedro II]

I am from Brazil so here's a few suggestions for a Brazilian UU...

1. The Slave (we imported more slaves than any other country in the world). It has a negative connotation, but history isn't always pretty. So maybe it could be a sort of worker unit that has a 0 population cost, and possibly an extra movement point just to make it worthwhile.

2. The Bandito. A possible Hidden Nationality unit useful for pillaging other civilization's infrastructure.

Brazil has never fought many wars, so we have very few great military leaders or specific weaponry. We did, however, fight a war with Paraguay in the late 1860s. The decisive weapon, since it was primarily a war over rivers, was the Ironclad. In fact, the Brazilian admiral used the ironclads in a brilliant new way by latching them together as they passed the main Paraguayan fortress, and they devestated the defenses there.

Also, during World War II, Brazil participated in the invasion of Italy. We only sent 25,000 troops, but nevertheless, our bombers were noted for their unique tactics. Traditionally, bombers of that era would fly high over the target, circle it, and then drop their payload. Not us. We flew in low, came out right over the target without circling, and dropped the bombs. The result was that we didn't get shot down as much. Unfortunately, we often destroyed the military installation and the hospital next door Accuracy was never a priority with us...

The weapons we've used in wars have been rather traditional. It is the application of them that has been unique.

[Sheik]

Thank You for the suggestions.