On the Utility and Use of Marines

[Kuciwalker]

*speechless*

[notyoueither]

Ahh. So not all of his interior cities were empty. How many were defended?

Second question, who will now keep at least 1 inf per city regardless of position once anyone gets near Marines (or an earlier defender if Berzerks are out there)?

[notyoueither]

PS. This is exactly what I have been expecting ever since I first started playing around with Marines and finding that they seem to have a bonus when attacking from ship.

I wish any of my PBEMs had gotten this far. Congrats H_E, you have demonstrated what is possible in a very emphatic manner.

[Theseus]

Again, simply great. I used to read a journal called the Military History Quarterly, which had great and graphic dissections of significant past battles / campaigns... this would fit right in.

In case I missed it: H_E, you had how many Marines and Cavs to work with?

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Theseus
In case I missed it: H_E, you had how many Marines and Cavs to work with?

I'd like to say... but that would be giving away how many marines I have left.
It used only 6 to take the city. (Posted somewhere above)


And if Imtoops knows how many marines I have left, he might get worried about all my transports moving towards his coast.

[MattPilot]

so how many units in total did you lose during the total operation?

Don't know if this were possible in your case, but i'd probably would of kept one small insignificant city, garrison my remaining units in there, and let the enemy lose a couple of his men to it. I know i'd try to take it back, cause i'd be pretty pissed off

IF he couldn't take it back, you got a nice future outpost to launch operations from (rush a airport or something). If he does try to take it back though, you can assume (depending on your spy reports & by the numbers he would send into your territory), that the boarder cities have reduced strengths to fight for the captured city. So in the next turn, you could launch a land invasion across the boarder. Though only if he doesn't launch a counter attack across the boarder himself. However, if he doesn't have enough units to guard all his cities in the first place, how will he counter attack & gaurd his remaining cities ( a basic spy report would be useful here) ? And another guess here is, that if he does decide to counterattack across the boarder, the probability of a counterattack on the only remaining 'captured' city is unlikely, so a rushed airport wouldn't do to much harm


Just som thoughts.

[Hot_Enamel]

I did not take any infantry with me.
The 4 galleys were loaded with cavalry, Marines & a couple of combat settlers.

I used every one of my cavalry...And lost many taking New Thebes.
Some had a movement left, and they retreated back onto the transport.

Everything that got left behind, Tibi destroyed on his turn.

By the look of the stack that Tibi sent over on the next turn.. I had no chance of keeping any city.
Plus he had a ROP with Imtoops, who has since joined the war against me.
It was designed to be a hit and run attack anyway.

Note that when I disbanded the coastal city of Asyut, I lost the 3 transports that unloaded troops into the city.
I kept 1 transport out of the city which picked up any cavalry survivors.

[MattPilot]

ah, i see. Well it was pure genius.

Did you keep the slave workers or did you disband them too? I'd probably make similar raids now just for the slaves .

**edit .. So how much did you lose after his counterattack? Give us the total operation losses - its nothing he doesn't already know

[steven8r]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I did not take any infantry with me.
The 4 galleys were loaded with cavalry, Marines & a couple of combat settlers.

Hot_Enamel, Where did Yamama come from? Did you bring along a Settler with your invasion force?

Was it a 'culture gap' filler to allow you RR access to Edfu or something? Is that what you meant by 'Combat Settlers'?
I would like to hear more on this subject please.

Just currious.

Viscious Man, Viscious!

Steven

[Hot_Enamel]

@MattPilot
No slaves. In order to use Tibi's railroad network, which allows my cavalry to skip to each city, I had to install a governor in each city I captured.
Then I disbanded each city when I was finished, resulting in no slaves.

Total units:
4 galleys full....(29 combat units, 3 settlers)
At the end of the turn, I had 1 galley containing 8 units left. (2 settlers & 6 combat units)

So...total loss of life for me was 23 combat units.
I am not giving the mix.....because I dont want my opponents to know if the 6 survivors are leftover marines or cavalry which had a movement left.


steven8r

Yes, Yes, Yes & Yes

Congratulations for picking that up.

Perhaps I should of disbanded or renamed Yamama before taking the pic...

[steven8r]

Well H_E, one more question.

I assume by 'Galley' that you are meaning 'Transport'. OK, so it's just a semantics issue. My question is, are you using a mod to give Transports a capacity of 8? IIRC, Transports in C3C hold only 6. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.

Thanks again, and again, that's got to be the single largest, most devastating 1-turn attack that I've beheld. I'm just glad I wasn't the recipient.

Sorry Tiberius. I really feel for you man.

Steven

[Risa]

There's no C3C one year ago.

[MattPilot]

gotta agree with steven - never even knew something on this scale was possible.

@Hot_Enamel

usually when i abandon (not raze) cities with more than 6 citizens, i end up with a few workers.

Anyhow, can you tell us about his counter attack? Did he just kick you out of his empire, or did he also cross over the boarder? I'm a curious man

[Hot_Enamel]

Per Risa.

We started this PBEM in December 02.
It is PTW.
Transports (not galleys ) carry 8

[SirOsis]

Most excellent move. H_E has me wondering about our Islands PBEM. lol. What do you have in store for me there?

Good to see the use of marines can be most deadly in the right hands.