MAP: Ultimate Map of Europe

[Jon Shafer]

Well, I have to admit most of the work was done by Aanar, but I did remove nearly every river on the map. Took me 3 hours to do also.

I'll move some of the coal then... I don't want to flood the game with coal, there's a lot as it is. Other than that, thanks for the support, glad people are enjoying the map.

[Sean]

Well, it isn't that important really, the coal that is.

Hey, I downloaded the latest version of your map, then decided I didn't want it, as I didn't want to go to all the hassle of playing with files. However, I seem to have mucked up, in that the file name for MAN-o-War has been changed to ship-of-the-line, which of course does not exist in my files. Am I going to have to re-instal the game?

Sean.

[Jon Shafer]

It's actually just "Ship of the Line", just like that, no hyphens. There's only 5 new folders you have to create, and just copy some info to them from the other folders. After that just rename the ".INI" files, and you're good. I can just make a zip of the folders that you can unzip into the art folder if you really want me to. Did you actually rename the "Man-O-War" folder, or create a new folder? If you actually just renamed the current folder then name it back to "Man-O-War". If that's not the problem then describe exactly what the problem is and I'll help you.

[Sean]

I tried to find the said folder to rename but couldn't. Maybe I just missed it. I haven't got a problem so far, I am just worried about discovering that I actually do, if you get my drift.

Just found the relavant file. Still called Man-O-War. So it must just be for your map when this occurs. I don't mind.

Thanks for your Help Trip.

Sean.

[Gulgothir]

Hey. Great map and all. I'm having trouble playing it however. I played as the English, and after I reach 1000 B.C or 1 A.D, the game crashes. Is this just something I'm personally experiencing? I downloaded the file, extracted it to Civ3 scenerio and loaded it as such.

My first attempt was playing as the English in the Egypt area, and was doing very well when suddenly it crashed when I reached 1250 B.C. My second attempt was English in Spain, and was again doing well till it crashed again around 100 B.C.

Did I extract it wrong or such?

[Jon Shafer]

Glad you enjoy the map.
Hmmmm. I haven't had that problem... anyone else had it? If someone can identify the cause then I can figure out what's going on.

[Sean]

I have experienced said crashs, as the English no less. The crash is often when one tries to communicate with the unique civs (of this map). Though I often have a crash for no desernable reason. In this case, I reload from the auto-save, and commence playing, with out a subsequent crash.

Sean.

[Gulgothir]

Sean, I tried that. I tried reloading from the auto-save and when I proceed to the turn when I crashed previously, I crash again. I tried saving it as a normal game then it just crashed again.

Maybe it's just as the English. I will try another civilization this time.

[Gulgothir]

Didn't work. I tried Russian this time, in French area. Crashed, then I tried loading it from auto-save and proceeded to the turn when I crashed last time, and it happened again. I have no clue why this is so.

[Jon Shafer]

Hmmmm. Well I'll look into that, and try to fix it for the next version. In the meantime, you can just load the map into the editor and set it to default rules in order just to play the map. That should alleviate the problems associated with using the unique civs.

[Stormbringer]

I can't start the map, because I need new leader faces or something for the new civilizations, and they arn't included in the zip.......

[dervish]

WOW!!! What a tremendous real map!!! Thank you, Sir Ralph, for referring me to this thread. I think Trip deserves the Cross that decorates his chest.

[Spiffor]

I can play the map, but as soon as I contact the Austrians, the game crashes (no problem so far with the Italians, the Germans, the Spanish).

I also think the AI has difficulties to handle the 3 pop spending per settler (I've often seen foreign size 2 cities almost finishing the production of a settler their population couldn't afford, while I was building warriors like crazy and got all goody huts).

I couldn't start with correct starting locations with Civ3breed, so I made a CPT (Civ Placement Tool) file. Here it is. I'll try to mod the crashing Civs so that they're playable again.

EDIT : how, btw, I forgot to praise the map ! Looks great ! I'm eager to play it longer ! (gonna fix this tonight)

[Spiffor]

OK, I found how to make the map work, even when you meet Austrians or Turks !

To correct the crashing problem (AFAIK) :
- Go edit the bic file
- Edit the rules
- Go to the Civilization tab
- Select Austria-Hungary, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see "degradation file" and "improvement file" (or something like that, I don't have the precise English names.
- Select ancient era, and change "Art\Flics\Xe_A01.flc" into "Art\Flics\Xe_01.flc". Simply delete the A, both times.
- Select Morocco, and also delete the A. It means changing "Art\Flics\Zu_A01.flc" into "Art\Flics\Zu_01.flc".
- Select Turkey and also delete the A. It means changing "Art\Flics\Hi_A01.flc" into "Art\Flics\HI_01.flc".
- In case you have problems with Spain (which I didn't have), select Spain, and then select modern era. Delete the D. It means changing "Art\Flics\Gh_D01.flc" into "Art\Flics\Gh_01.flc".

Voilà ! The problem was Civ3 looked for leader pictures you didn't have on your hard drive. Now that the file names are correct, it shouldn't crash anymore. All of these operations must be done for both filenames (I mean, you must change both "Art\Flics\Hi_A01.flc" and "Art\Flics\Hi_A02.flc" to their respective numbers).

Also, Astronomy has no requirements, which is a bug, because you can have ships of the line 3 techs after entering middle ages if you beeline (astronomy -> navigation -> magnetism). Simply change this by editing astronomy and adding education as a requirement.

Sorry I don't post the corrected .bic here, but I modded it heavily to match my personal mod (see sig). I'm toying with the idea of adding more movement points to ships, and raising dramatically the road movement multiplier. I didn't do it for now, mostly because my comp is extremely slow (I already have 20 seconds of waiting between turns at the very beginning of middle ages, even Marla's isn't so long so soon).

[civman2000]

Q: Is it possible to get the map without the civ changes and everything?