On the Utility and Use of Armies

[vmxa1]

That would make sense.

[Konquest02]

Yes, and if you look in your military advisor screen, there is a row dedicated only for armies. It is a good clue for armies having to get paid as anybody else!

--Kon--

[Theseus]

I thought this was an interesting screenshot... take a quick look and then come back up to the text.

First, a little background. This is from MZOBC4. My first IC invasion was of the peninsula NE of Carthage, taken from Japan with Berserks. Next, I did a little Berserk pruning / razng of eastern Carthaginian cities, just to slow them down (being the KAI of the game).

I razed the crap outta Egypt and Babs on the north central continent, delivering respective coups de grace with Knights and Cavs.

I penetrated the juicy core of Carthage with Cavs, capturing all those lux tiles and cutting Hannibal in half (and getting my culure within two tiles of Carthage... more on that later).

Interesting side note: While it looks like there is an isthmus connecting the Carth continent on the north central one, there is not. I've got the sea lane blocked; more interesting however, is that I used a GL to move my Palace to the southern of those two cities!! Surrounded by water, basically, but it made sense to me for those two continents, and actually worked out pretty well.

OK, with all that said, the reason I posted this in this thread:

Look at my forward position into the heart of Carthage. This is pretty typical for me (when I am not getting my ass kicked, thanks AU 209!).

Of the four forward cities other than Helsinki, each has an Infantry+3xGuerilla Army and other assorted units (Infantry, Arty, Fighters, Tanks, etc.). Helsinki is on hills, so it gets the weakest of my defensive Armies, Infantry+2xMusket+elite Berserk*, and the same assortment of supporting units. The hill at Svolvaer11 is very much a weak point, and actually gets the strongest of my Armies, 4xInfantry.

God, I love Armies.

If you hadn't noticed, at this point of the game I am in, uh preparation mode.

[Konquest02]

Whoa! I can't wait to see your complete AAR, Theseus! It looks as you're gonna win, but you will deserve that win..

[Panag]

Originally posted by vmxa1
Armies can not generate leaders as reported by Firaxis ad I have never seen it done either. I have started to make more armies in order to get the Pentagon and boost to 4 units. This allows one army to sit on a good size city and quell resisters and discourage counter attacking. This is very useful to me in late game as an Army of MechINf will hold a city against any moderate attack, if the AI will even attempt to attack it, often they stay away from armies. An army of modern armor can defeat even forted mechs in a metro, so if your arties can't be used they can. I am getting to like them more and more.

hi ,

armies used to generate them , with version 1.02 , .........

as for the armies sitting in cities to do some " crowdcontrol " , well if the city turns over , thats one heck of an investment lost , .......

have a nice day

[realpolitic]

The use of armies to instead of WoWs seems incredulous.My first army is usally reseved for an FP, which will probably increase my shields & gold by at least 50%. Then happiness improvements. I delay my HE because over 48 elite battles

w/o HE
16 battles - 1st Wonder
32 battles - 2nd Wonder
48 battles - 3rd Wonder
64 battles - 4th Wonder

w HE
16 battles - HE
28 battles - 1st Wonder
40 battles - 2nd Wonder
52 battles - 3rd Wonder
64 battles - 4th Wonder

That's a long payback period!

Also I often wait before I build barracks - nonmil civs can optimise their intial advantage that way.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73992

[realpolitic]

But in not building barracks, it does take longer to get elietes and GLs.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

armies used to generate them , with version 1.02 , .........

as for the armies sitting in cities to do some " crowdcontrol " , well if the city turns over , thats one heck of an investment lost , .......

have a nice day

I see no evidence that your statement is correct. No patch address this issue and I say again, I never saw it or heard anyone say they had such an occurrence.

Any time a city flips you have lost a large investment. I do not recall any cities flipping with an army in it. So all in all it seems like a reasonable plan.

Seeing your post usually spoils my day.

[Theseus]

I do not believe that Armies prevent flipping...

But panag, do those look like Carthaginian city names?

AND, given that I am in Carthage's core, and Carthage (the city itself) is the world champ in GWs... HOW'S MY CULTURE??!!

This game was a LOT of fun till I got mad about my Marine / Berserk Armies not working.

@realpolitic: Trust me, GWs and some SWs always come first. Berserks are insane GL generators.... 6 attack when most AI civs are at 2 and 3 defense... and, while I don;t know for sure, I believe many of the defense modifiers are not applied against an amphib attack.

[Panag]

Originally posted by vmxa1


I see no evidence that your statement is correct. No patch address this issue and I say again, I never saw it or heard anyone say they had such an occurrence.

Any time a city flips you have lost a large investment. I do not recall any cities flipping with an army in it. So all in all it seems like a reasonable plan.

Seeing your post usually spoils my day.

well if you would look a bit further you would find it

but then again there are some people who are more intrested in trying to flame someone then the read the messages , ......

[Panag]

Originally posted by Theseus
I do not believe that Armies prevent flipping...

But panag, do those look like Carthaginian city names?

AND, given that I am in Carthage's core, and Carthage (the city itself) is the world champ in GWs... HOW'S MY CULTURE??!!

This game was a LOT of fun till I got mad about my Marine / Berserk Armies not working.

@realpolitic: Trust me, GWs and some SWs always come first. Berserks are insane GL generators.... 6 attack when most AI civs are at 2 and 3 defense... and, while I don;t know for sure, I believe many of the defense modifiers are not applied against an amphib attack.

hi ,

make a test scen ones , just place a couple units and cities on a map , try the berserker , the marine and a unit that you have made and given amph ability , see what happens , .......


have a nice day

[Theseus]

Sorry, panag, I am not sure what you are advising or what the objective would be.

In other words... huh?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Theseus
Sorry, panag, I am not sure what you are advising or what the objective would be.

In other words... huh?

hi ,

experiment yourself is still the best school , .......

there are some flaws in the game when it comes to berserkers doing what they are supposed to do , .......

still trying to calculate the numbers for the USMC , the berserkers and the own created unit with amph ability , .....

time after time the numbers dont add up , .....

have a nice day

[Theseus]

Sorry, still not following.

Are you saying amphib attacks don't seem to match the supposed odds?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Theseus
Sorry, still not following.

Are you saying amphib attacks don't seem to match the supposed odds?

hi ,

that seems to be the case , ......

have a nice day