Poll: Should all units have increased movement factor?

[Beren]

In a world where you defeat three countries in six days (which is about 1/120 of a turn) - 1967 and it was possible to sail around the world in one or two years around 1500 and around 300 BC Aleksander the Great captured entire Persia in about twenty years (I think that would be less than a turn), this is all not possible in Civ3.

I think the most simple solution to this is to increase the movement factor of all units. I think it will make the game more realistic.

[Lemmy]

i voted yes, but not just because it's more realistic, it's also more fun, this way you'll also need some units to defend your inner cities, instead of overdefending your border cities

[Willem]

But if you do that, every unit will have the retreat option and there'd be no real difference between an Archer and a Knight.

[Lemmy]

a unit only has the retreat option when fighting a slower unit, so as long as archers are slower than knights, it wouldn't make any difference

[Gramphos]

I think there should be an mapsize option, saved in the map part of the BIC, to have a movement point multiplier. That way you could adjust the movment to be realistic for a map you create, without having to edit the rules.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Lemmy
a unit only has the retreat option when fighting a slower unit, so as long as archers are slower than knights, it wouldn't make any difference

Well then none of the units would ever be able to retreat then. The end result is the same, all the units would have the same abilities. You may as well eliminate half of them, and just have 1 type that's used for everything, since it wouldn''t make any difference.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Gramphos
I think there should be an mapsize option, saved in the map part of the BIC, to have a movement point multiplier. That way you could adjust the movment to be realistic for a map you create, without having to edit the rules.

That would be a good idea. I play on maps 256 X 256, and it would be great having some extra movement for a huge map size, without sacrifising the retreat ability. I've already doubled the movement of all my ships, but there's not really much I can do about the land units.

[Lemmy]

Originally posted by Willem


Well then none of the units would ever be able to retreat then. The end result is the same, all the units would have the same abilities. You may as well eliminate half of them, and just have 1 type that's used for everything, since it wouldn''t make any difference.

uhm, i think you misunderstood me, or i wasn't clear...
the archer will still be slower than a knight, right?
then the knight will still be able to retreat when fighting an archer, but the archer won't be able to retreat. So for example multiplying all movement by 2, will have no impact on which units can and can't retreat.

When 2 units are fighting, only the fastest can retreat, if there is a fastest off course.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Lemmy


uhm, i think you misunderstood me, or i wasn't clear...
the archer will still be slower than a knight, right?
then the knight will still be able to retreat when fighting an archer, but the archer won't be able to retreat. So for example multiplying all movement by 2, will have no impact on which units can and can't retreat.

When 2 units are fighting, only the fastest can retreat, if there is a fastest off course.

Well maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that a unit can't retreat at all if it's attacking another "fast" unit. The movement differences between the two are irrelevant.

[godinex]

Yes, specially the maritime units... double the movement rate.

[Lemmy]

Originally posted by Willem


Well maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that a unit can't retreat at all if it's attacking another "fast" unit. The movement differences between the two are irrelevant.

hmm, now i'm not sure either

i'm gonna test this...

[ALPHA WOLF 64]

Personally, I've increased the speed of all shipping (destroyers and AEGIS are 9s, other moderns(nuc subs too) are 8, subs 5, 18th cent sailing 4, ancients 2 or 3). I also increased the road factor to 1/5th a move point. However, when i increased modern armor to 5, I realized that I could reach any city border in one turn regardless of cultural border because few cities grow out more than 4 squares. I've lowered the fastest land unit to 4 which means that against the largest cities, I will have to sit one turn "exposed" to attack before I get to attack. When it was set to 5, I literally destroyed a powerful empire in one turn by leapfrogging thru each captured city and attacking the next intermost one. I used 200+ mod armor to take out over 30 cities. By lowering it the speed to 4, not only was I open to attack, but the threatened cities would draft alot of defenders, and transfer in additional defensive units. Replaying that game at the slower movement, my same invasion suffered substantially heavier casualties and took about 6 turns.

[Beren]

Another solution could be that the turns last shorter (ofcourse with adjusted tech rate.) But this would mean that the game lasts longer.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Beren
Another solution could be that the turns last shorter (ofcourse with adjusted tech rate.) But this would mean that the game lasts longer.

That's the way I really would like it... I hope the turnlength can be edited in the future. But then most likely the techrate should be allowed to set per turn, or maybe add a flag for techs which speeds up research, as the reasearch per year would be unrealistic eiher in the early game or in the late game.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Gramphos

That's the way I really would like it... I hope the turnlength can be edited in the future. But then most likely the techrate should be allowed to set per turn, or maybe add a flag for techs which speeds up research, as the reasearch per year would be unrealistic eiher in the early game or in the late game.

Oh yeah, that would be great. Then I could spend months playing a game, rather than weeks.