help produce a scenario at 1 C.E.

[Lorizael]

Re: UPDATED

Originally posted by Mars
I updated my list.

Now i need UUs and leaders for every civ

the order of my chart goes like this: (if you can't understand it)

Civ - Leader(UU)

Oh man, dogsled, that's rude! lol

I think it will be difficult to come up with UUs for all of those because some we know very little about. And UUs are going to be what make scenarios fun!

[Mars]

Ohh, BTW:
It occured to me that some people don't understand why i'm putting in these very small nations. and i'll explain why. I want to have everything the way it was in real life. I'm making it so the Player will be one of the empire; Rome, Parthian, China, or may be (for more of a challenge) with Olmec, India, Japan, or the Huns. The other civs are just filler civs. But i don't want to use the barbarians cuz they don't trade, they just attack. And trading is one of the main purposes of these little civs

[Mars]

Re: Re: UPDATED

Originally posted by Lorizael


Oh man, dogsled, that's rude! lol

I think it will be difficult to come up with UUs for all of those because some we know very little about. And UUs are going to be what make scenarios fun!

What's rude about it. Its what they had, isn't it. Anyways, do you have a better suggestion

[ranskaldan]

Historically, the Emperor of the Han Empire at 1 CE was a certain Liu Yan, known ceremonially as Han-Ping-Di (Emperor of Peace of the Han). One teeny problem is that this person was a totally pathetic emperor. He was the second last emperor of the Former Han Dynasty, and after he died his Dynasty quickly collapsed into political turmoil. Not a great emperor to play.

One way to go around this problem is if we cheat a bit and take the brilliant emperor closest in time. That would be Liu Xiu, ceremonially Han-Guangwu-Di (Emperor of Illustrious Might of the Han). He reigned 25-57 CE and he emerged from the civil wars at the end of the Former Han Dynasty, to create the Later Han Dynasty, which lasted for another two centuries.

As for the repeat-crossbow, it hasn't been invented yet a 1 CE and I really don't know what else the Chinese can have at that period...

[gopher]

The 4 main empires at 1 A.D were:
Roman (Erope/Med)
Guptua (Indian Subcontinent)
Han Dynasty (China, Tibet, Mongolia, and a bit of Pakistan!)
Sassanid (Middle East, at least what wasnt Roman)

the others?
The Huns,
Early Vikes
Japanese/Korean,
Kush (Ethiopia)
some random S.E Asia power (What was before Angor Wat?)
etc.

But at 1 A.D, those 4 were key

EDIT: some UU units...
Rome:Legion (duh!)
Hans:Regular Chinese UU Horseman (only stirrups in the world, the best riders)
Sassanid: Horseback Archers (Best Archers, and could fire from horseback very easily) Or some Siege Weapon (Best nation to Siege cities since Assyria)
Guptua: Either an Elephant or mobile Infantry (Indian Infantry at this time were clothed in Cloth, which was lighter than metal and almost as good, allowing more agility and more distance traveled)

[Mars]

Thanks Gopher and Ranskaldan i'm updating my list now.

Though I'm not sure about one of your points Gopher. When did the Parthians fall. Was that before or after 1. c.e. Cuz the sassanids preceeded them, as you most likely know.

Anyways Rankskaldan reminded me of a point. You can cheat slightly if at that time, say an item or leader didn't exist but 1-100 years later it is the most important thing or leader of that empire.

[ranskaldan]

Mars:

Change the Chinese UU from Tang cavalry to Han cavalry. The Dynasty at that time was the Han. The Tang dynasty came later, during the 7th century.

[Mongoloid Cow]

Kush was in Nubia, which at that time was ruled by Meroe. There are only a few known Nubian kings (mainly because no one alive can read their language), there was an Egyptian dynasty which were Nubians more than a thousand years before this scenario, and there was King Piye (Pukiet(?))

If you manage to free up a civ slot, why not put Armenia in? They had to fight the Romans, Scythians and Parthians, and play them off with each other, to survive. And they were the worlds first Christian nation.

Ignore the Sassanid Persians as they started up after 1 AD.

The Meroic UU could be some form of trading/transport ship.

Arabs should be Bedouins. There was no Arab state or unity at that time. The term 'Arab' normally applies after Muhammad in 632(?)AD

The Funan UU might be either an archer or spearman modification.

[Locutus]

Kush == Meroe, though Meroe is a more accurate name, so I suggest you drop Kush. This frees up a spot, which you probably best fill up with either the Scythians (as I suggested earlier) or, maybe even better, the Armenians (very good idea, Mongoloid Cow!).

Around 1 AD the first wave of Huns had already moved to Kazakhstan so you'll want to put the Huns in Kazakhstan or in Kazakhstan and Mongolia but definitely not just in Mongolia...

There seem to be many misconceptions about the Arabs. Many people seem to think they're not a civ but a race (or something like that) and many (other?) people seem to think that Arab history started in 634 AD with Muhammed. Both ideas are bullsh*t, the Arabs were a unified civilization that came into existance around 750 BC and have been an important trading nation ever since (concentrated in the southern Arabian peninsula, from 650 AD onwards spreading out to cover the entire Middle East, Northern Africa and Spain). This is a good source on their (early) history.

UUs and leaders could in some cases be tough. In case of China I would use the Crossbow. The repeated crossbow wasn't invented yet but the regular crossbow was used by the Chinese long before 1 AD (and it would be many centuries before it came into use elsewhere). The Hunnic UU should probably be Horse(back) Archer, but since you already have that as UU for Parthia, just Horseman or Rider (in other words, recycle the Chinese UU) might be a better choice. As you can read in this week's CotW feature on Civ3.com, Samurai didn't came around until much later so you can't really use those as UU for the Japanese. As Olmec UU I would probably just recycle the Aztec UU, Eagle Warrior it was I think? Most of these civs weren't exactly at the height of their power around 1 AD so finding suitable leaders will be challenging but I'll see if I can do some research for you when I have more time.

[Mars]

Thanks for correcting me i wasn't actaully sure what Meroe was.

Can you tell me where Arminea was, what current nation

I'm updating the list now

[Saint Marcus]

Kush == Meroe

Not always. There has been a non-Kush Meroe I believe.

[Locutus]

Mark L,
I was talking in the context of this scenario. Otherwise you would of course be correct. In fact, I think Meroe was probably one of the least important of the Ku****e kingdoms (the only less important one that comes to mind is Napate).

Mars,
What modern country Armenia is today? How about Armenia?
It was an empire just east of the Roman Empire and northwest of Parthia. At its height it covered the Caucasus, part of western Iran and eastern Turkey. I'll see if I can find a map (saw a good one earlier today, if I can find it back).

[Locutus]

Found it!

http://www.roman-emperors.org/sest01.jpg (SE Roman Empire in 1 AD)

Edit: just noticed. Sythians are Scytians right? In that case they're not Africans but (Eur)asians. They lived north of the Black Sea, in the Crimean area and north of Armenia.

[Mars]

Oh woops i forgot about Armenia, i thought that rung a bell but couldn't find it, must of overlooked it. (One of those former soviet bloc countries i see) thanks for the map

[ranskaldan]

spelling issues:
Agustus should be Augustus.
Guptua should be Gupta.

Sythians? If you mean Scythians then they should be in Southeastern Europe.

And Germanic tribes is such a mouthful. Why not 'Germanics' or 'Germans'?