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    If a faster unit attacks a slower unit, the faster unit may leave the battle. This happens when the faster units healthbar becomes 'red' before the healthbar of the other unit becomes 'red'.

    But this doens't happen all the time. Sometimes the faster unit keeps on fighting until it's death.
    Under which conditions does the faster unit leave the battle, and under which conditions does it keep on fighting?
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  • #2
    I believe that is decided by the RNG gods.
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    • #3
      If it has 1 HP, it won't retreat, ever.

      There is something about retreat in the editor. The help to it say, that the higher the experience level, the more likely that unit is to withdraw. However, this is described as a bonus, and I don't know how the base value is computed. Elites should retreat easier than Regulars, but I don't know how big the advantage is.
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      • #4
        Someone posted the exact percentages here one time (I suggest you search for that):
        It's a percentage chance to retreat based on the unit's combat experience:

        Conscript: xx% chance to retreat
        Regular: xx% chance to retreat
        Veteran: xx " " "
        Elite: xx " " "

        And I think Modo is right, if the unit you're attacking is at 1 hp, your unit will never retreat.
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        • #5
          Yes no retreat once at 1 HP, they will try for the kill.

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          • #6
            Just open the editor Cyber, the percentages are under one of those tabs IIRC.

            If a faster unit attacks a slower unit, the faster unit may leave the battle


            They can retreat versus a 1 movement unit, IE a cavalry (3M) will not retreat (ever) versus a tank (2M).
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            • #7
              It's not percentages as such (set them all to 100% and units will still occasionally fail to retreat). I don't recall exactly how it works (can probably be found in the CFC strategy articles section), but the experience of the defender also counts.
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              • #8
                According to a study at CFC, the experience level of the opponent also affects the retreat probability (easier for elite to retreat vs. conscript than elite vs. elite). Sorry, don't have the link.

                Also, if elite is set to 100% retreat, they still won't in all the valid situations. May be related to the above.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jaybe
                  According to a study at CFC, the experience level of the opponent also affects the retreat probability (easier for elite to retreat vs. conscript than elite vs. elite). Sorry, don't have the link.
                  I never knew that... to be precise, though: Is it that, for instance, an elite is less likely to retreat from an elite just because the defender is an elite, or that an elite is less likely to retreat from a conscript because the defender will more likely redline?
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                  • #10
                    There are separate settings for the retreat odds of each experience level in the editor. Default is as follows:

                    Conscript: 34% chance to retreat
                    Regular: 50%
                    Veteran: 58%
                    Elite: 66%
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                    • #11
                      Thanks for your answers!
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                      • #12
                        Re: What I've always wondered about but never asked...

                        Originally posted by CyberShy
                        If a faster unit attacks a slower unit, the faster unit may leave the battle.
                        This only happens if a fast unit fights a one move unit. There's no retreat if one unit has 3 moves and the other 2. And the chance of retreating depends on the status of the unit, i.e Elite, Veteran etc. and the rate is set in the editor, though I forget which section right now. I believe that an Elite unit has a 61% chance of retreating, though I'm not positive.

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                        • #13
                          Does the attacking unit have to have a movement point left in order to retreat? If that's not the case, it should be, that would make sense. If you expended your last MP entering the battle and don't have any left, how would you retreat?
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                          • #14
                            No
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