Where do you normally set your luxery slider?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Dissident
If you are talking about diplomatic actions with other nations, I doubt that is taken into account. Unless you agree to an embargo against a nation. The nation in question isn't likely to like that.

As for that screen about not being trusted, that reflects your reputation. If you start more wars, the worse that will get.

My reference to being able to talk to the nation refers to when they declare war on you (or you declare war on them). For a while they will refuse any attempts of communication. But eventually they will. It seems to me they are quicker to reciever your diplomatic envoys if you conquer a few of their cities.

ok thanks for the clarifications my friend

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Dissident
As for that screen about not being trusted, that reflects your reputation. If you start more wars, the worse that will get.

Wrong. If you just start a war, the guy you attacked wil hate you, and that's it. Your reputation will not suffer permanently.

The comment about being trusted is based on deals one broke, and atrocities one committed (like razing cities), not on wars declared. People often mistake it, because declaring war breaks any treaties with that nation, if you don't let them run out first. You can check what deals are running on the F4 screen, "Details" view.

[Dis]

even if you just declare a war out of the blue?

Often I'm just move a unit in and attack with no warning. The pop asks, yes- they are scum. And I click it.

What about when you have a treaty of friendship with them or right of passage?

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Dissident
even if you just declare a war out of the blue?

Yes, as long as you don't break running treaties by doing so.

Originally posted by Dissident
Often I'm just move a unit in and attack with no warning. The pop asks, yes- they are scum. And I click it.

There is a slight hit if you declare war with your units inside enemy territory. Otherwise, there's not much to worry about. The guy you just attacked will obviously hate you even after the war, but it wears off, and you can be friends later. Others won't mind a war, as long as you don't attack them.

Originally posted by Dissident
What about when you have a treaty of friendship with them or right of passage?

If you have a peace treaty signed (i.e. after a previous war), a MPP, or a ROP, then you'd be breaking it by declaring war. They are signed for 20 turns. Breaking a MPP or a ROP will destroy your reputation for the rest of the game. Breaking a Peace Treaty will heavily damage it.

Check the F4 screen - it lists treaties running. If a deal has a number near it, this is how long it will last. After that period, you can break the treaty without a penalty.

[Grandpa Troll]

shame ya get hit hard for the whole entire game..be nice if you could say make a peace offering and all would be well again

[Dis]

actually my last couple of games I've been running communism. And I put my slider to 0%.

I'm finding the AI likes to declare war on me too much when I run democracy. Even though I prefer that goverment. I get pissed at the AI when they are *******s, then I switch goverments and open a can of whoop ass on them.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'm finding the AI likes to declare war on me too much when I run democracy.

Yes, this is something I noticed too. Some of them just go crazy when this happens. Democracy doesn't allow prolonged wars, because of the automatic revolution (no matter the lux slider ). That's why I stay in Republic, unless playing a Religious civ.

[Grandpa Troll]

well..another vote fer Republic..I have heard too much for Fascism..

[Dis]

the real question is fascism or communism. I still really haven't tried out fascism yet.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Dissident
the real question is fascism or communism. I still really haven't tried out fascism yet.

I heard lots of thumbs up fer communism not much fer Fascism or feudalism..

[Barinthus]

Grandpa Troll - while this is not a comprehensive look at different governments. This method only looks at income which is only a piece of the whole picture. You need to factor in corruption. For instance under Democracy you have higher income which is terrific for science research and luxury distribution but your outlying cities will have high corruption which will make them unlikely to be a significant production center for your nation. And there's high war wearniess to think about. OTOH, under Communism there's lower income but the corruption is spread out evenly making your outlying cities nearly as important as your core cities and there's low war weariness.

So in an epic game, as German, I had a sprawling empire. I decided to see how certain governments impact on the income and scientific research. So I saved the turn right before the period of anarchy was supposed to end so I could reload and select different government.

Here's republic...

[Barinthus]

Fascism

[Barinthus]

Communism

[Barinthus]

Democracy

[Barinthus]

So you can see that Democracy is better for research - it'd take Democracy 5 turns to research a tech and Communists 6 turns while for Republicans, it's 8 turns and Fascists 11 turns.

But that courthouse in Adrianople which is a recently conquered (as you can see due to population graphics) would have taken all governments 73 turns while for Communists it's 19 turns.

If you want me to do other governments (monarchy, feudalism, etc) I'll be happy to do so.

Note differences in happiness among those governments also.