Rise and Rule Mod

[chequita guevara]

Anyone play the Rise and Rule mod for C3C yet? I'm getting my ass kicked up and down by the damn barbarians. Colonization of the continents is very slow because the barbarians are so tough.

I had a extrememly large continent and by 840AD, it was maybe a third colonized. Barbarian hoardes just swarm in and pillage everything, and the toughest unit I've got can't really hurt barbarian horesemen. This ain't garden variety C3C.

[punkbass2000]

Yeah, it's a cool mod. I'm surprised you're having difficulty, unless you jacked up the difficulty level. I find RaR Deity plays like stock Emperor or so. And growth is supposed to be slow, though I don't know about that slow.

[Donegeal]

Yeah... I play it. Great mod. The barbs are tough (Barbarian Raider 2/2/1, looks like a Swordman; Barbarian Rider 4/2/2, looks like a horseman), but I think that you almost need to up the difficulty setting as the game is so different from the original that the AI just can't cope (Like each pop eats 3 food. That one alone messes up how the AI operates).

I fight the barbs with stacks. Use a spear (3 defense) with an Archer (or sword if you have them) and a bunch of cats. As the Barbs only attack in NW/SE direction and always move to the higher def bonus tile, you can try to set it up so that they smash against a couple of fort spear on a mountian.

[chequita guevara]

I changed the barb setting so they move randomly. That may be why I'm having a lot more trouble. Instead of having a stack of barbs, I have a swarm of them covering my countryside, pillaging everything in sight.

[Barinthus]

By Crom! That's how it's supposed to be

[Arrian]

Sounds nasty.

I've been playing TAM, which has pretty hardcore barbs too. It's made harder by the higher cost of spearmen (the best technique remains aggressive barb hunting with archers, but sometimes you need some "d") and the fact that you cannot build barracks until the 3rd age* (thus, all units built in cities other than your capital are regulars). Still, once you get used to it, it's manageable.

-Arrian

* - unless you're Rome

[chequita guevara]

RAR has similar rules. Bronze working takes a while to get, which gives you 1.3.1 spearmen, unless you're Greece (1.4.1) or Carthage (2.3.1). Even then, the 4.3.2 barbarian horsemen can still kill them, and during an uprising, that's gonna happen. Thank goodness they don't destroy cities like they did in Civ 2, but it sucks watching some outpost go and your entire fortune get pillaged.

You don't get barraks until the end of the 1st age, unless you build the Sphynx. Me likey Sphynx.

[-SafaN-]

the thing i hate the most about R&R is that much more and much earlier units are amphibious. And the AI is using them, no warning, sneak attack, city lost :/

Greetz

[chequita guevara]

That was surprising, yes, but it's accurate.

[Arrian]

You don't get barraks until the end of the 1st age, unless you build the Sphynx. Me likey Sphynx.

That's much quicker than in TAM! I've been having a discussion in the Files forum about the fact that the only city that can build vet units or - more importantly - upgrade units for 2.5 ages is your capital.

Regarding the barbs... best to attack them if you can. Easier said than done, I know.

the thing i hate the most about R&R is that much more and much earlier units are amphibious. And the AI is using them, no warning, sneak attack, city lost :/

Yeah, the first game I played out with TAM hit me with the same thing. I hadn't even noticed that archers were amphibious, so it took me completely by surprise. I've wised up now. Coastal cities with any sort of enemy presence near them must have 2 units in and backup available.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

What's TAM?

[Arrian]

The Ancient Med. Another Mod for Conquests. I like it. It has some issues, IMO, but so does the stock game, after all. It's got flavor. And it's got 3 great ages worth of ancient stuff (Classical Age, Hellenistic Age, Imperial Age). The fourth age isn't anything to speak of, but you can't have everything

edit: linky - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=51402

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

One problem I see with RAR is the accumulation of massive piles of cash by the AI.

[Donegeal]

Why is that a problem?

I see the AI establishing embassies. Hell, possibly they even use spys...

[chequita guevara]

I never have massive piles of cash.