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**Golden Bear** · November 11, 2004, 12:56

OK, now the DA question... How to I attach a 2Meg save file with a limit of 500kb?

I used to be good at this stuff but I get stupider every day.

**Golden Bear** · November 11, 2004, 13:18

Does a zip version work?

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conquests autosave 4000 bc.zip (55.5 KB, 89 views)

**vmxa1** · November 11, 2004, 13:42

You won't have a 2mb save, if you use a normal save. IOW just do a save and that file will be quite small. Autosaves are very large.

Now my question is what is the goal here? Did you intend to just put up a story (which is fine) or did you want to ask a question?

BTW I would take those Vikes out, if I could. I do not want to be looking a their UU and me with no real offensive units to counter it. It will be some time before you get a unit that strong as the Americans.

Not to mention that they can slam any coastal cities and you will be hard pressed to stop it until the industrial age.

It sounds like you have good start. I would only question the idea of going for CoL. This is doable, but puts the free tech in danger, unless you are very sure of your footing.

**UnOrthOdOx** · November 11, 2004, 13:54

Re: Monarch to Emperor

Just my opinions, not criticism.

Originally posted by Golden Bear

My plan was to build a second scout early and pop goody huts in order to get something to trade. Research would go Alphabet-Writing-COL-Philosophy and then take Republic.

I wouldn't worry about Wonders unless they dropped in my lap.

My goal would be largely building, if possible. Maybe this is a mistake on Emperor?

Largely buildering is still possible on emperor with a good start, early free settler, or the cheap little agricultural trait.

You got 2 out of the three, so it can work.

I'm not sure about taking CoL before Philosophy though. Probably a bit of a gamble unless you have a river or an archy map. Better to get Philosophy and something else (I like getting Lit and the Library, but then I am a total warmonger) IMO.

Great start with two cows. Exploration shows cows all over the place. Build goes Scout-Worker-Warrior-Granary. I pop a free settler and Ceremonial Burial.

Early contacts with Egyptians, Scandanavian, Mongols. Everybody has tech on me. I get Alpha and halfway through Writing, trade it for some good stuff like bronze working.

Alright, am I reading it right that you waited till you were halfway done with writing to trade Alpha? Not sure the value of waiting there. Each turn lets the AI trade between themselves, research towards whatever, possibly devaluing your tech.

Don't be afraid to mix in tech+gold to get tech either. Barbs and superior management will get you extra cash.

I am fortunate that there is Ivory to the NW of me and Furs to the S. I put my free settle on Furs and my first built settler next to Ivory. They are about a square further out than I want but I figure it is important to have the happy faces from the Luxuries.

hmm. I would NOT extend city spacing to grab lux in the core. Not even by a square. The slider can do for the early game, or even colonies.

Settler pump gets cranking and I go Warrior-Worker-Warrior in all new towns. I reason that I need to keep plenty of unit builds going to keep AI civs from getting greedy.

Personally like my second military unit to be archer/spear instead of warrior (unless I know I have Iron, obviously). Then like I said, I am pure warmongering.

Another thing, this sounds like the settlers are unguarded. Maybe I'm paranoid from too many PBEMs.

Around 1200 BC I have 9 towns and I have been building archers because I discovered that the closest Iron is SE of the Fur town and has been taken by Scandinavians. I send 5 archers down there and scorch the town in 1200. Egypt declares on me but shows no immediate unit movement. I drop a settler next to the iron and two workers on the iron. Soon I will have SM.

Depending on the situation, it may have been beneficial to have those archers proceed. Don't know your losses, but if I had 4 remaining, they'd be going forward. Usually you can take a second town that you don't care about losing and fight the AI counter there or even sue for peace quicker and get more.

I fight off a flurry of Scandinavian archers and an attempted aggressive settlement. Egypt shows up on the doorstep of a new city of mine with two archers vs. my one warrior defender. Help was one step away. The town falls but does not self destruct.

I take the town back and work on running roads to it.
Swordsmen start to show up. Scandanavia makes peace but the Egyptians won't talk. I am 4 turns away from getting Philosophy, which I hope won't have been taken! I am really cranking on tech, etc. thanks to the two luxuries I got at the start.

My next goal is to grab some land from the Egyptians with my SM. I don't think that they have any horses and thus no chariots and no GA!! After that, get peace, go into Republic, keep cranking settlers and building libraries and markets.

All in all sounds pretty good.

**nbarclay** · November 11, 2004, 14:39

Which version of the game is the autosave from?

**Golden Bear** · November 11, 2004, 14:39

Sorry VXMA, it is not intended to be a story. I was hoping to draw some comments and insight. I have been pushing Monarch around pretty easily and want to have some success at Emperor. But I seem to fall into doldrums on Emperor.

I thought that maybe if I related my thinking and progress, some of you more experienced types could tell me the point where I lost it.

I can stop the thread if desired.

Unorthodox, I stopped the Scandinavian war because of the Egyptians. The Egyptians are in a position to threaten me along the entire long axis of my territory and I did not have enough going for me at that point to fight two wars.

My plan now is to wrap up the Egyptian war quickly and shuffle back to beating on the Scandinavians when the 20 turns is up.

**vmxa1** · November 11, 2004, 14:50

Thats cool, but you need to put up some intermediate saves or at least a screenie for anyone to follow.

So you should be able to save and stay under 500kb for a long time, just don't use autosaves.

When you say doldrums, what exactly is going on? A few saves along the way can make it easier to see if anything is breaking down.

The picture you gave so far does not show me if you are introuble or in great shape. I am not good at visulizing, I need to actually see things (no imagination).

Industrial trait with that start should be able to do quite well.

**Golden Bear** · November 11, 2004, 17:00

It is C3C v1.2. I went back from 1.22 for a game a friend was sharing and forgot to update. Sorry.

Here is the core of my territory at 900 AD. Egypt off to the left and Scandinavia down to the south.

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**Golden Bear** · November 11, 2004, 17:07

And a zoomed out view:

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**vmxa1** · November 11, 2004, 17:20

You scared me with that 900AD and making spears, but I see it is actually 900BC (wipes sweat off of brow).

**vmxa1** · November 11, 2004, 17:30

What are you up to, do you intend to go warmonger and take down some civs? If so, then cranking out troops is fine, if not, then lets make only vets and get more work done on the empire.

They cost to maintain, so that is why I am going to have only what I need.

If no war plans, I would not load up on spears and swords. I would prefer horse units. They can move better and upgrade to better units.

You do not have to face any barb uprisings, so you do not need lots of spears. Only frontline cities, if any. I may prefer archers for the zero bombardment. Depends on what I see coming soon.

Spears have uses, but they cannot attack, so I do not make many of them in Emp/Demi games. I may need them at deity and sid to stop barbs, they are much stronger at those levels and may defeat archers and even horses.

**vmxa1** · November 11, 2004, 17:34

I don't know what techs you have and what improvements are in the capitol, but I would like to see it much larger.

I would use some chops to rush any structures that are not build and make the city more productive. By 900bc I want a bunch of mines and as close to max size as I can get.

**Arrian** · November 11, 2004, 17:47

General comments:

Too many tiles have roads but no other improvement. More mines. Chop more forest. I almost never road forest. Chop, road, mine. I may re-forest later once I have engineering if the city is very food-rich (only on non-bonus grassland).

If you are building units to fight against the AI (as opposd to just doing some exploring and barb hunting), invest in barracks. They're worth it.

-Arrian

**Dominae** · November 11, 2004, 18:08

From the screenshots it looks like you're doing just fine; you have more land than all the AIs you have contact with, and presumably have more productive cities too (generally the case in human vs. AI). What exactly is it that you're worrying about? Are you behind in tech? Do you tend to lose your early lead?

It looks to me like you could just go into military production mode (apart from those wonderful Cattle cities) right now and just overrun the opposition. Maybe the screenshots are not telling the whole story...

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