Exploit?

[Worthingtons]

I've already used it to it's extreme in order to the turn round a race for the Hoover dam which I was previously losing

However, I am delighted to say my exploit has been officially recognised on the Civfanatics GOTM page , with a link to this thread. I don't mind it being banned really, just pleased I managed to find it - although I'd look upon this as the Importing of Labour - the starvation being the price you need to pay, I mean when London made the underground didnt they import Irish labour to do it, of which many perished?

Cheers
Matt

[jshelr]

What exactly would be banned? I confess that I don't think this is an exploit. Lots of strange things happen in anarchy and civil disorder

[MrWhereItsAt]

How could you fit that many citizens into the city screen? COULD you even click finely enough to turn them all into CEs?

[Theseus]

Good question, MWIA, I didn't think of that!

[Solomwi]

One at a time, MWIA, so you're always just clicking on the last one.

Boy, talk about tedium!

[bongo]

This exploit may be allowed because there are so few willing to do the neccessary micromanaging

[MrWhereItsAt]

Yes indeed - if you managed to do that much to win a game, full credit to you. :b

[Worthingtons]

I disagree with the above, you do not be switching every turn, specialists do NOT add to the unhappiness (Interesting but true), only eat food, therefore you could have 50 specialists and if your current pop is happy none of them need to be entertainers, obviously you'll need to be happy enough to be able maintain a size 21 pop, which can easily be achieved by the ascertaining Happiness wonders/luxuries + marketplace ect & not engaging in long long wars.
Therefore you only need to make them engineers once (pollution will mess up your tile's like normal but this shoudnt effect the extra army), here's my example, in my current game for example purposes only I boosted London to a size 45 (a lot of my workers were in france so coudnt be bothered to bring any more back), this added a tremendous 46 sheilds per turn taking London's estimated time to complete the Wonder SETI program from 17 turns to 8 (obviously it'll be a bit more than 8 due to starting) but say if an IA was projected to finish this wonder in 15 turns this would have been the difference - therefore I reject it takes micromanagement as it's a one-off monouvour which took me about 2 minutes.

[Rommel2D]

Starvation doesn't reset your specialists every turn?

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by jshelr
What exactly would be banned? I confess that I don't think this is an exploit. Lots of strange things happen in anarchy and civil disorder

The ban would either be on adding settlers/workers to a city in disorder beyond it's ability to support them with food, or, to keep it simpler, on adding them to any city in disorder whatsoever. So far, this looks like an oversight in programming on Firaxis's part rather than an intentional effect of loosing control of your city, at least IMO.

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
Starvation doesn't reset your specialists every turn?

I always thought it did.

As for an oversight in Firaxis' programming.....CivIII has been out for what, 3 years now? We are now getting to the very extremity of useful exploits with this little gem , and I'm sure given another couple of years some more increasingly eccentric exploits could be found.

I can only return to my earlier comment on this.....look at your situation - it is late game and you probably have the game easily won by now (or at least, you should have!)....so by the time you have sufficient excess Workers to sacrifice without this being substantially detrimental to your empire, this just becomes an exercise in semantics

Hats off in recognition of Worthingtons' intellect and powers of lateral thinking however, for discovering what will now forever be known as the Worthingtons Manoeuvre

[Dry]

There is something I do not understand on the screenshot above.
You have a normal tile prod of 23 shields and with 28 engineers your total shield prod is 46
The only relation I see between 23, 28 and 46 is that 46 = 2*23.
Wouldn't that mean that, whatever the number of engineers, they may at best only double your shield prod?

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Dry
There is something I do not understand on the screenshot above.
You have a normal tile prod of 23 shields and with 28 engineers your total shield prod is 46
The only relation I see between 23, 28 and 46 is that 46 = 2*23.
Wouldn't that mean that, whatever the number of engineers, they may at best only double your shield prod?

The reason for all this is that shields contributed by CEs don't appear in the resources per turn count. If he has 46 shields from CEs (I ain't going to count all of them), then his total production is the 46 shields shown in the free shields per turn box + the 46 from CEs. Or whatever the exact numbers are. The key is that you have to actually count the number of CEs you have to account for the shields they give you - they aren't added to the total shown.

[Dry]

Ok. So, 46 is prod with factory & plant.
Plus 56 of the 28 CEs, makes a total prod of 102 per turn.
That would fit indeed the 8 turns (==8 rows) left to complete SETI.