When it rains, it pours

[Krill]

But if you win the game does it matter?

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by Krill
But if you win the game does it matter?

No, but why not just straight ROP rape and not allow the AI a free shot at your forces?

[Krill]

I'm not 100% sure, but didn't Solomwi say that he only just realised that he could take the Germans out? If so, the answer to your question is that Solomwi did not recognise that oppurtunity.

[Mad Bomber]

Krill:

Actually Solomwi brought up the same point about 3 post back. The responses were to a suggestion from Bobbo to allow the ROP to expire and have the AI declare war after refusing to leave. Solomwi and myself would rather just declare war on our turn and lay waste to an AI because the penalties would be the same but without allowing the AI a free attack on the assalting forces.

[Krill]

oh, fuc...

my bad...

[Theseus]

There are certain points in certain games where you just have to bite the bullet, throw caution to the wind, let the chips fall where they may... and blow off any concern about rep / attitude.

Declare war with ongoing trade? Fine.

Attack or declare war with troops in the AI's territory? Fine.

ROP Rape? Fine (weeeellllll, only if desperate ).

I'm not quite with vmxa1, who couldn't give a flying f*ck about what the AIs think in the late game, but I'll do what I gotta do.

[vulture]

I'm not convinced that the trick bobbo88 describes is considered ROP rape by the AI. I've not tried it on the newer versions, but certainly in PTW I used it once (with slight variation). I moved all my units into position, cancelled the ROP, and then attacked the same turn. Sure, you get the rep hit for declaring war with units inside your targets territorty, but I was still able to sign ROPs with other civs later in the game.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Krill
I'm not 100% sure, but didn't Solomwi say that he only just realised that he could take the Germans out? If so, the answer to your question is that Solomwi did not recognise that oppurtunity.

I made the ROP that same turn, so waiting for it to run out wasn't an option. My intentions while fighting America had been to occupy their forces in order to prop them up and let Germany reclaim some territory, since I had gifted Germany tech through Motorized Trans., oil and enough cash to rush a few Panzers. When it became obvious I could just end America, Germany lost its usefulness.

Since I have a lot more cities over there than defenders, I didn't want to be in the business of waiting for the inevitable German ROP-rape sneak attack, so I decided that Germany needed to end, as well, in order to get out of the ROP. Do unto others before they do unto you.

Mad Bamber is right, in general, though. Whenever possible, I'm going to hit first rather than give the enemy a free shot.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by vulture
I'm not convinced that the trick bobbo88 describes is considered ROP rape by the AI. I've not tried it on the newer versions, but certainly in PTW I used it once (with slight variation). I moved all my units into position, cancelled the ROP, and then attacked the same turn. Sure, you get the rep hit for declaring war with units inside your targets territorty, but I was still able to sign ROPs with other civs later in the game.

There was a discussion on this topic quite a while back on CFC, where Soren indicated that the AI treats any attack with units inside the targets' territory as an Rop rape (although the term hadn't been coined at the time of the discussion).