Why do they declare war on me when I use nukes?

[Whoha]

everyone else was pretty much at war with either the US or Japan at that point, it was a world war.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko

Did anyone declare war on the US when they nuked Japan in 1945

The USA didn't try to keep on bombing with nukes, did it? Making a player-controlled civ stop after one blast is somewhat more difficult than in real life. Especially diplomatic ways become pretty much useless. There's the reason to attack a nuking player - healthy AI paranoia.

[Ljube]

Americans would have continued nuking Japan if Japs hadn't surrendered.

As far as world war argument is concerned, at that time the world war was all but over, leaving America as the sole nuclear superpower with scores of satellites, allies and protectorates.

[Jaybe]

In Civ3 game turns, virtually everyone was at war with Japan--even the Soviets I think, so it mirrors history fairly well.

The point is that use of nukes is not done in a vacuum (even if they might travel above the atmosphere).

[Smellincoffee]

"Americans would have continued nuking Japan if Japs hadn't surrendered."

I don't think so. I read somewhere that those two were the only two actual devices ready to be used.

[Barinthus]

Correct, Smellincoffee, but we were probably on our way to produce some more.

[Antrine]

The threat of more was uppermost in Japan's mind. We were carpet bombing city upon city already. The thinking-fear was that we would thus 'carpet bomb with A-bombs next'. And we still have our finger on the trigger to loads of WMD. Paranoia reigns supreme, even in AI routines and in US foreign policy.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by Antrine
The threat of more was uppermost in Japan's mind. We were carpet bombing city upon city already. The thinking-fear was that we would thus 'carpet bomb with A-bombs next'. And we still have our finger on the trigger to loads of WMD. Paranoia reigns supreme, even in AI routines and in US foreign policy.

Actually, one of the main reasons that the Japanese surrendered after Nagasaki is that Truman had made it known to the Japanese Embassy that the next target would have been Tokyo.
This claim was a bluff by Truman (who loved threating people with "the bomb") as the US only had 2 devices ready in August 1945, another would not be completed until early 1946 in which the US would have already started its invasion.

[Antrine]

Thanks, I was emphasising the panoria of fear in thinking, though those facts I'm sure were carefully 'secreted', except for the bluff by the President to a notable few, especially the Emperor whose House he would be bombing.

A paratrooper, first as occupation in Tokyo, relayed this seniment to me in some of stories of that time. What gets me, is our willingness to 'have' such a reputation to carpet bomb A-bombs or Daisy-cutters or what have you. Though then unfeasible, but now... we still persist threatening WMD?

[Mad Bomber]

True, but it should be noted that Truman did not fully realize the full implications of using the Nuclear Bomb. The effects of nuclear fallout for example was not really known until about 1955. Truman thought of the A-Bomb as nothing more than a really big bomb that he could use as a bargaining tool to get what he wanted.

Up until that Jack*** was "elected" I didn't really think that the US relished the use of firepower, be it Nukes or Daisy Cutters to achieve political aims, but this belief has been shaken considerably since 2000. But, the world has changed so much since 9/11.....

[Barinthus]

Einstein encouraged the usage of the bomb until after those two in Japan then he realized they had opened the pandora's box by doing so.

It was a long and difficult war against an enemy willing to employ sucide pilots and everybody were eager to get back to normalcy. Rational men do irrational things in wars.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by Barinthus
Einstein encouraged the usage of the bomb until after those two in Japan then he realized they had opened the pandora's box by doing so.

It was a long and difficult war against an enemy willing to employ sucide pilots and everybody were eager to get back to normalcy. Rational men do irrational things in wars.

I can understand the decision to use them in WWII. What is less acceptable is Trumans' continued threats well after the war (he threatened Mao over 50 times during the Chinese intervention in Korea and he was largely responsible for beginning the cold war with his 'aggressive' diplomacy with the Soviets prior to 1950.

[Datajack Franit]

I usually hurry the ICBM run with all the money I saved in the previous years, until I have 30-60 of them. Of course you know what happens when you use all of them

[Odin]

"Carpet Bombing with Nukes?"

[Modo44]

Yeah. You know, two for each city, just to be sure...