Pompeii+Vesuvius=Elimination?

[Rommel2D]

Another elimination question:

When playing multiple-city elimination, what happens to cities defeated that are short of the limit? Are they all auto-razed or can some be captured? If a Tribe is eliminated entirely, do the cities they lost previously survive, or are they auto-razed alongwith the rest of their cities?

Thanks to the MPers...

[sabrewolf]

all cities are lost when the first city falls...

so rommel, if you want the pyramids, you'll have to capture paddy's capital

[MotownDennis]

Actually, cities captured that are short of the limit work just like capturing a city in non-elimination. Let me give an example:

The game is 2-city elimination and Player A captures a city from Player B. Player A keeps the city as per usual (assuming it's above size 1 or has some culture built up). Player A now controls the city. Player B attacks the city the next turn and recaptures it. Each player has now lost one city. Player A attacks yet again the following turn and retakes the city. This is now the second city that Player B has lost, so he is eliminated. All of the cities that he controlled at the time of his elimination are razed (not including the city in question, as he didn't control it).

Hope that makes sense.

[bongo]

Are you allowed to raze the city you take? Kind of hard to defend one isolated city far away from the rest of your empire...

[MotownDennis]

No, you cannot raze a city that you capture (otherwise, you'd be eliminated!).

It's important in elim games to pay special attention to the cities you attack. If it's a far away city near other enemies, it might be better to NOT target that city.

[bongo]

Hrmf, almost makes it a rock, paper, scissors game

[MotownDennis]

No, it just means that you must plan your attacks better. Don't try to take a city unless you can hold it.

Hint: New cities are particularly attractive targets.

[bongo]

So many options, so little time...

Maybe I can get time to try elemination in...25 years

[MotownDennis]

It's not meant to be played against the AI. It makes for too easy of a game then. The AI doesn't understand the concept of elimination and will continue building useless little cities wherever they see fit.

It's meant to be played against other human players. It can make for a stressful game. One mistake and you are OUT!

[Rommel2D]

Is culture flipping possible?

[MotownDennis]

There is a checkbox in the MP setup screen where culture-flipping can be turned on or off. People usually turn it off as losing an elim game due to a culture flip is seen as "cheesy". I have seen it happen though. So, yes, if the culture flipping option is enabled, it IS possible to be eliminated by a culture flip.

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by MotownDennis
No, you cannot raze a city that you capture (otherwise, you'd be eliminated!).

It's important in elim games to pay special attention to the cities you attack. If it's a far away city near other enemies, it might be better to NOT target that city.

Just found out that you can autoraze a just captured city without suffering a city loss. I'm playing 3 city elimination against the AI and autorazed a city. Even though I'm at 2 cities lost already, the razing didn't count as my third.

[Yes I know elimination against the AI is weak, but I'm testing out the Tarzan mod.]

I also just had a city culture flip to me, but won't be able to verify if it counts as a loss for the AI for a while. What happens when a flip is rebuffed, nothing?

[sabrewolf]

keep the autosaves, then replay it later.

or use some cheating tool for invincible and unlimited movemenent units (iirc the powerbar used to do that) and attack the AI city to check it

[MotownDennis]

No, autorazing doesn't count as a lost city for the conqueror. Autorazing = capturing a size 1 city with no culture. It does count as a lost city for the civ that lost it.

A culture flip does count as a lost city for purposes of elimination. I've seen a few times in 1-city elim where someone was eliminated by having one of their cities flip. What a way to lose!

[Rommel2D]

I'm not sure what it's called then, but I was offered the option to keep the city (over size 1) and refused, which is what Bongo originally asked about. The city was razed, I got a slave, but it didn't count as a lost city for me.

I went back to check the autosave on the culture flip turn, but it saved after the production phase. I'll be taking a couple more of their cities soon...