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**Chilean President™** · May 10, 2004, 13:51

Good work

But you missed to big wine producers, Chile

and Australia

**Arnelos** · May 10, 2004, 14:27

Originally posted by Chilean President
Good work

But you missed to big wine producers, Chile

and Australia

Oh yeah

You're right. Chile and Australia have the optimal climate for vineyards, too.

Adding those.

**Arnelos** · May 10, 2004, 19:00

Just finished altering El Mencey's earth map (his standard one) so that:

1. Some parts of it were altered to be more realistic or less realistic, but more playable... changes included (those that I remember):

a) Britain is a good bit larger
b) Italy is slightly larger - this was done to accomodate Mt. Vesuvius (see below)
c) Cuba was changed to all plains rather than grassland and plains tiles were given sugar
d) the Appalachian Mountains in the Eastern U.S. were expanded and extend north into New York/Vermont, as they should be. Saltpeter was placed on one of these tiles.
d) Pine forests were spread far more extensively over Canada and Russia/Siberia.
e) More forests were added to mainland Europe
f) a bit of flood plains were added to the deltas of the Nile, Congo, Amazon, and Niger rivers. Oil was placed in the Niger delta, while wheat was placed in the Nile, Rhine, Congo, Amazon, Indus, and Yellow deltas.
g) Hawaiian Islands were slightly expanded (1 additional tile)
h) Iceland is now only one tile (tundra)
i) A 1-tile tundra island was added north of Scotland and West of Norway with oil (I forget the real name of this island/island chain, sorry).
j) A few hill tiles added to Europe (to accomodate coal in the Ruhr and Alcase regions)
k) more little tweaks I can't remember, for sure

2. The new C3C terrain types were added. Specifically:

a) Marsh in much of tiny little Ireland
b) Marsh in southern Poland through to parts of Belarus and Ukraine
c) Marsh in Estonia and Latvia
d) Marsh in Central/Northern Florida
e) Volcano in Italy (the entire country had to be moved slightly West to accomodate the added land tile without creating a land bridge to Greece and closing off the Adriatic)
f) Volcano in West Indies
g) Volcano in California/Nevada
h) Volcanoes in the Cascades (Washington, Oregon, Idaho)
i) Volcanoes up British Colombia and in Alaska
j) 1 additional volcano to represent the entire STRING of real volcanoes in the Aleutian Islands off of Alaska
k) Volcano instead a mountain for the souther Hawaiian island
l) Volcano added to the Phillipines
m) Volcano instead of mountain for Java
n) Volcano instead of mountain for Sumatra
o) 2 Volcanoes on New Guinea
p) 2 Volcanoes in New Zealand (one on each island)
q) Volcano instead of mountain for Japan
r) Volcano in Ethiopia
s) Volcano in Central/East Africa
t) Volcanoes all down the line of the Andes Mountains
u) 2 Volcanoes in Mexico
v) Volcano about where I guessed Costa Rica or Nicaragua would be
w) 1 volcano on the Russian Kamchatka peninsula (in RL there are multiple, but as with the Aleutian Islands, I just added one).

3. Added strategic resources, luxuries, and other resource locations across the map. The locations of these are roughly approximate in most cases to the list in the post above for suggested locations.

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**Arnelos** · May 10, 2004, 20:34

Roughly, here's what the resource/luxury distribution looks like for the map:

EASTERN U.S.:
1 Horse, 2 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 3 Coal, 1 Aluminum, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 2 Fish, 1 Whale, 4 Tobacco

CENTRAL U.S.
1 Horse, 2 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Uranium, 3 Wheat, 3 Cattle, 4 Sugar, 1 Oasis

WESTERN U.S.
1 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 1 Wine, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 4 Gold, 1 Whale, 2 Fish

CANADA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Uranium, 4 Furs, 2 Game, 3 Whale, 2 Fish

ALASKA
1 Fish, 1 Whale (hmm... seems I forgot the oil... no matter, the U.S. should only get one source that could run out on them anyhow)

CENTRAL AMERICA/CARRIBEAN
1 Iron, 1 Oil, 1 Rubber, 1 Aluminum, 3 Dye, 2 Spice, 4 Sugar, 2 Tropical Fruit, 1 Gold, 1 Tobacco, 3 Fish

GUINEAS/VENEZUALA/COLOMBIA/ECUADOR/NORTHERN BRAZIL
1 Iron, 2 Rubber, 1 Oil, 1 Aluminum, 3 Dye, 4 Tropical Fruit, 1 Wheat, 3 Fish, 2 Gold

PERU/BOLIVIA/BRAZIL/URUGUAY/PARAGUAY/NORTHERN CHILE/ARGENTINA
1 Iron, 4 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 4 Dyes, 2 Wheat, 2 Gold, 2 Oases, 4 Fish

SOUTHERN CHILE/ARGENTINA
1 Wine, 2 Dyes, 3 Cattle, 1 Game, 3 Fish, 1 Oasis

BRITISH ISLES AND ICELAND, OTHER ISLANDS
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Furs, 1 Game, 1 Cattle, 4 Fish, 3 Whale

IBERIA
1 Horse, 1 Wine, 1 Cattle, 1 Wheat, 2 Fish

FRANCE AND LOW COUNTRIES
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Aluminum, 3 Wine, 2 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 1 Game, 1 Fish

ITALY
1 Horse, 1 Wine, 1 Wheat, 1 Fish

GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, AND CENTRAL EUROPE
2 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Coal, 1 Uranium, 3 Wine, 2 Game, 2 Cattle, 1 Wheat

BALKAN PENINSULA
1 Wine, 1 Wheat, 2 Fish

SCANDINAVIA
3 Iron, 2 Furs, 1 Gems, 1 Game, 4 Fish, 1 Whale

WESTERN RUSSIA/UKRAINE, etc.
1 Horse, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Coal, 1 Uranium, 1 Furs, 1 Wheat, 1 Game, 1 Fish

SIBERIA
1 Horse, 1 Coal, 2 Furs

CENTRAL ASIA
1 Horse, 1 Oil, 1 Incense, 3 Oases, 1 Gold

MIDDLE EAST
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 2 Saltpeter, 4 Oil, 1 Uranium, 7 Incense, 5 Oases, 6 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 5 Gold, 3 Fish

NORTH AFRICA (EXCLUDING EGYPT AND LIBYA)
1 Iron, 1 Incense, 1 Ivory, 2 Gold, 2 Fish

WEST AFRICA
1 Iron, 1 Rubber, 1 Oil, 1 Aluminum, 1 Uranium, 3 Ivory, 2 Fish, 2 Tropical Fruit

EAST AFRICA
2 Ivory, 2 Tropical Fruit, 1 Fish

CONGO VALLEY/CENTRAL AFRICA
1 Iron, 2 Rubber, 2 Ivory, 2 Gems, 3 Tropical Fruit, 2 Fish, 1 Gold

SOUTHERN AFRICA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Uranium, 5 Gems, 2 Ivory, 3 Gold, 1 Game, 2 Fish

INDIAN SUBCONTINENT
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Aluminum, 1 Rubber, 1 Uranium, 3 Gems, 2 Ivory, 1 Incense, 1 Wheat, 1 Cattle, 4 Fish, 1 Gold

SIAMESE PENINSULA
1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Rubber, 1 Aluminum, 3 Silk, 3 Spice, 3 Tropical Fruit, 2 Fish

CHINA AND KOREA
1 Horse, 1 Iron, 1 Saltpeter, 2 Coal, 1 Oil, 1 Uranium, 5 Silk, 2 Cattle, 3 Wheat, 1 Oasis, 1 Game, 2 Fish

JAPAN
1 Iron, 2 Silk, 1 Wheat, 3 Fish, 4 Whale

PHILIPPINES AND EAST INDIES
1 Saltpeter, 1 Rubber, 1 Oil, 2 Aluminum, 2 Silk, 7 Spice, 3 Fish

AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND
2 Iron, 1 Coal, 3 Aluminum, 1 Uranium, 1 Gems, 1 Wine, 3 Fish

HAWAII
1 Fish

**Midget*Toilet** · May 11, 2004, 00:33

A few minor changes should be applied.

There wasn't just some oil in Texas. There was a LOT of oil back before the oil boom in the early part of the 1900's (most oil wells were in the Northeast around Beaumont). There's still plenty of oil in this state, although the wells don't produce as much as those found in the Gulf or in the Middle East.

There are multiple diamond mines in the states, mostly in Idaho and Arkansas.

This nation was abundant in furs before the development boom of the mid 1800's.

Iron and coal can be found throughout the Rockies.

Spices could be found in America in the early 1800's, mostly around Chicago. These were particularly onions, which can be considered a spice.

**Arnelos** · May 11, 2004, 03:19

Originally posted by Midget*Toilet
There wasn't just some oil in Texas. There was a LOT of oil back before the oil boom in the early part of the 1900's (most oil wells were in the Northeast around Beaumont). There's still plenty of oil in this state, although the wells don't produce as much as those found in the Gulf or in the Middle East.

Given that I was trying to limit myself to only 12 sources on the entire planet, I think it entirely reasonably to make the Texas source only ONE source rather than two, which would have it equal half the supply for the entire Middle East (rather unrealistic IMO).

There are multiple diamond mines in the states, mostly in Idaho and Arkansas.

While there ARE gem mines in the U.S., they don't quite match the volume produced by those few I gave the gem luxury sources to overseas. North American gem production is simply dwarfed by gem production in the places (South Africa, Sri Lanka, Congo/Zaire, even places like Myanmar) that have far greater deposits.

This nation was abundant in furs before the development boom of the mid 1800's.

I did place furs in the U.S. Did I forget to mention that?

Iron and coal can be found throughout the Rockies.

I did place coal in the rockies. I noted the region as "Central U.S." for the El Mencey map only because his way of implementing the U.S. is a bit... odd. So I included the Rockies in the "Central U.S." I suppose you might attribute part of this to my bias as someone who lives on the East coast (though I recently did live in Arizona). The coal source is in Monana/Wyoming.

As for iron, the problem is that there are a LOT of sources of iron on the planet. If one were to include every single significant source, you'd easily have more than 30-40 sources on the map. Simply put, this would make placing iron sources somewhat immaterial game-wise. In prioritizing sources, I chose to only include the iron sources worldwide with the most production or historical significance (one or the other). Since both Northern Mexico and the Eastern U.S. have sources of iron (along with Canada) on the map I was altering, ANOTHER source in the Rockies didn't seem necessary with so many historically important or large sources to place overseas.

On a huge map, that might be different, I guess.

Spices could be found in America in the early 1800's, mostly around Chicago. These were particularly onions, which can be considered a spice.

This time, the issue is both relative quantity AND relative quality. The spices produced in the East Indies and the Carribean are, shall we say, far more in demand worldwide than the supply of onion likely once produced in Illinois.

That said, I honestly wasn't even aware that this was once the case.

**Chilean President™** · May 11, 2004, 15:38

Good job Arnie

I'll try this map in a couple of days

**ZargonX** · May 11, 2004, 15:57

Sounds good, Arn. Now we just need an Earth PBEM

**Arnelos** · May 11, 2004, 17:09

Originally posted by ZargonX
Sounds good, Arn. Now we just need an Earth PBEM

Only if we leave certain players likely to make it last until the 22nd Century out of it.

**Arnelos** · May 11, 2004, 23:08

hee hee

I altered the map so I'm playing with 25 AI civs.

Playing as England, I've already taken out France, the Netherlands, Germany, Scandinavia, Rome, and Spain. Next up are Byzantium and Russia.

**Chilean President™** · May 11, 2004, 23:52

I would love to see your invasion to America

**Arnelos** · May 12, 2004, 03:28

Originally posted by Chilean President
I would love to see your invasion to America

heh. I'll have to post a screenshot of me taking my hometown.

**ZargonX** · May 12, 2004, 13:50

Only if we leave certain players likely to make it last until the 22nd Century out of it

**Niessuh** · May 12, 2004, 14:36

Great distribution! count me in if you make a PBEM.
As for the Iberian Peninsulae I propose:

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