Idea about balancing Statue of Zeus.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MotownDennis If your SoZ is able to crank out 100's of units before it goes obsolete, then you're probably way behind on tech anyway.

If your SoZ is able to crank out 100 units, you are only about 20-30 turns away from a score loss

[MotownDennis]

Originally posted by Theseus


Huh?

I don;t think it's broke... just adds to the dominance sweepstakes.

Yeah, so maybe you or some potential KAI might have ivory.

You might get a lucky hut Settler. Or you might have a sh*tload of cows instead... or some rare strategic resource... or some key bottlenecks.

So be it. Play on.

I could not agree with this more. Very, very well said.

[pauli]

i've found an intriguing side effect of making the soz a small wonder:

bass ackwards civs build up obscene piles of ancient cavalry. the idiots never get to metallurgy, so the soz just keeps cranking them out!

i'm NOT looking forward to invading the aztec in my current game - if i can't take out their six or so cities in one turn, i'm going to have to deal with a monstrous counter attack.

ah well. just something to ponder

[MrWhereItsAt]

DP

[MrWhereItsAt]

Would it be worth donating techs to get them to Metallurgy then, pauli?

And if they are so a$$ backwards, can't you just land 5-10 Infantry on a hill somewhere and let them wipe themselves out on them?

And no-one messes with my SoZ! I still maintain that if you have Horses anyway and are at war, ACs will add to your strength only, not provide the end to all things. If you have no Horses this can be a godsend. And if you eliminate the Ivory requirement then the AI is almost bound to get it first at most levels higher than Regent without virtuoso playing. I am not a virtuoso player, and I love the luck effects introduced in C3C - volcanoes, the SoZ, chance of coastal starts for Seafaring civs.... T

he SoZ for me adds an interest factor for Ivory, where it is just another lux otherwise, and another opportunity at Horse-type units in a world where there are definitely less instances of such resources around in any map you generate.

[pauli]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Is it worth donating everything until Metallurgy to them then, pauli?

i've been considering it. problem is, the aztecs are barely into the middle ages. they've demonstrated that they have feudalism - i was quite surprised to see knights mixed with the ac - but i think i'd still have to give them a MASSIVE pile of tech, and even then, they'd still have the existing ac.

as for landing some infantry on a hill... every time i consider an offensive war of any sort, i get attacked from a new and even more improbable direction. stupid ai keeps messing up my plans

i'm also reasonably concerned that the ai will decide it can't take out my infantry and just bypass them. we are very immediate neighbors in some areas that would be very sensitive to pillaging.

[MrWhereItsAt]

You would be surprised....

Admittedly this is PtW, but in that game of mine I landed 10 Infantry and 15 Armour. I took a city and fortified. When they triggered their GA there must have been at least 20 Cossack attacks on that city per turn, and once I had Civil Defense up I lost not a single unit for 10 turns until I got bored. There was absolutely no attempt by the Russians to ignore me nor deny Ihad landed, Thus take a crap little city and they may well come in their droves to commit hari-kiri.

[pauli]

they seem to be a lot more gunshy in c3c - i've noticed that bolstering a city's garrison will deter attacks, or at least lessen their severity.