C3C Tech Tree Poster and Reference

[Kuratko]

For those interested: I have made a C3C tech tree reference.

[alva]

Thanks

[planetfall]

Interesting civ traits charts.

Just a couple minor things:
1. Miniaturation. Internet was in PTW, so not new.
2. Combustion. I'd have to check editor, but I think destroyers now have sonar and can see subs.
3. Smart weapons, precision bombing is in PTW and may be in C3

For those of us whose eyes are getting worst, it would be nice to have a 4 page version.

Thanks,

-- PF

[Brundlefly]

Thanks

[Louis XXIV]

Are the Koreans Sci, Com or Sci, Agr?

[Hagbart]

Looks veery nice, good job

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
Are the Koreans Sci, Com or Sci, Agr?

Sci, Com

[Admiral PJ]

Thanks, i'm getting excited about Conquests again after seeing this.. my new ADSL should allow me to play proper multiplay games with it I hope.

TECH TREE NOTES:

SATELLITES
much more powerful now they allow all the map available.. great for Extra Large maps or Scenarios.
My game has map trading only occuring with Navigation
(though the spanish can always map trade) so not all the map gets uncovered.
Would be better if this allowed u to see rough troop deployment.. where units are.

NATIONALISM : Police officers sound nice, but there are already enough bonuses for this tech, it would be better off in communism.

ESPIONAGE
Secret Police looks nice.. what does it do, another corruption reducer would be great, though it would be better under espionage.

IRONCLADS
great that this is a separate tech,
and the ironclad has much more useful stats, which should give it some use against destroyers and usable in the later game.
Hopefully this tech will not be needed for age progression.

Ancient Era
The new ancient ships look interesting, and the new wonders should allow players to manage to build a wonder.. normally I don't bother with ancient wonders.

Statue of zeus looks useful, and lasts all the way to mettalurgy.. giving ancient cavalry it seems very important.

ERRORS:

NAvigation should say Trade Allowed over OCEAN not sea.

Frigate stats are wrong.. i think its a3.d2.m4

[Louis XXIV]

Frigates were changed for C3C (I think they are 3.2.5, but they may be 2.2.5. They have 3 bombard though).

I brought up the Korean thing because they are listed as Sci, Agr - instead of Sci, Com

SPHQ acts as a third FP for Communist civs.

[vmxa1]

Ancient Calv are very nice. They can bust those spears much better than horsemen. I got to wonder if getting them free every five turns is not a bit strong. I keep hoping to get an army to stick them into and see how they do. They start with 5 HP's and if you slap a barracks in the city and get vets, man. Elites with 6 HP's and jam them in an army. I know Arrain will be drooling.

[planetfall]

Slow down vmxa1,

Chart shows ancient cavs as 3.2.2. What is confusing is mod in conquest 2, with heavy cav's. But instead of spearman they are against 10 unit cost similar to spears but with 1.3.1 ratings. Sorry can't recall name, something like guard. The fire catapaults are fun to play with.

Don't forget the Hitties that get 3 man chariot with the wheel!!

-- PF

[joncnunn]

Disagree with satelights; I've always had a resonable accuracte map by early industrial era and a complete map with no undiscovered tiles by late industrial era in my games.

Originally posted by Admiral PJ
Thanks, i'm getting excited about Conquests again after seeing this.. my new ADSL should allow me to play proper multiplay games with it I hope.

TECH TREE NOTES:

SATELLITES
much more powerful now they allow all the map available.. great for Extra Large maps or Scenarios.
My game has map trading only occuring with Navigation
(though the spanish can always map trade) so not all the map gets uncovered.
Would be better if this allowed u to see rough troop deployment.. where units are.

Frigate stats are wrong.. i think its a3.d2.m4

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by planetfall

Chart shows ancient cavs as 3.2.2. What is confusing is mod in conquest 2, with heavy cav's. But instead of spearman they are against 10 unit cost similar to spears but with 1.3.1 ratings. Sorry can't recall name, something like guard. The fire catapaults are fun to play with.

Don't forget the Hitties that get 3 man chariot with the wheel!!

-- PF

Yeah, I am not comparing them to the new UU, but just how they are so much better to send against a spear than a horsemen.
322 is much better than 212. Sorry about the enthusiasim.

[Bleyn]

Uhmmm....

I'm not seeing the UU for the Sumerians anywhere on the chart.

[planetfall]

Spearman Unit is garrison. Both spear and garrison cost 10s. spear is 1.2.1 and garrison is 1.3.1. Why build garrison? Would have been nicer to have garrison as upgrade to spear so spear no longer shows on menu. I built a few too many spears before I figured out garrison was a unit and not a barracks with a different name.

-- PF