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  • #1

    The Mesopotamia thread

    Here is my Mesopotamia-specific thread.

    I started with this Conquest. Why? Because it was the first one.

    I decided to play as Sumeria to test the new civ out, on Sid level to test the new level out.

    I started with three groups of units. Each contained a settler and an Enkidu Warrior, and there were two workers among the three of them. (I think that's right, I don't remember exactly) The Enkidu Warriors are equal on attack and defense, so I decided to "use Sumerian Enkidu Warriors to quickly achieve military dominance" as the previews said I would be able to do for so long. I knew Babylon had to be pretty close to me, so I sent the three starting EWs to the northwest to fight. I found Babylon in a few turns, and immediately attacked. My glorious Enkidu warriors were victorious.

    I expanded a great deal, so now I am the largest. The AI isn't behaving at all like PTW's AI. It's expanding very little. Maybe because wonders are worth victory points it is more focused on building up.

    I declared war on Babylon again to sieze Nineveh recently. When the Egyptians completed the Colossus really fast after getting bronze working, I realized that I won't get many wonders. The game's gonna be me against the clock. I will quickly achieve military dominance, but will I be quick enough?

    Screenshots coming.
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    My empire
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    • #3
      Techy
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      • #4
        My thoughts on the tech tree: I'm researching the bottom half. I researched writing, tribal council code of laws, etc. Irrigation is also a must for the Sumer civ (also the other river civs- Babylon and Egypt.) For Phoenicia or Mycenae, Sailing and Astronomy look much more useful, so I would go that way.
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        • #5
          Played some more. Scratch that about the AI not expanding. It was just the Babylonians. I caused them to "turtle." However, the Medeans are about twice my size, so this should be fun.
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          • #6
            Can you do me a favor and post the other 2 tech trees. I have no clue what they look like, but I'd really like to know.
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            • #7
              Second era techy:



              The third era only has 5 techs - Literature, Philosophy, Monotheism, Drama, and Republic. Republic requires Literature and Philosophy, and Drama requires Literature. I don't want to waste upload space on it.
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              • #8
                I quit my game. The Medeans in Iran and the Phoenicians signed an MPP, so I can't expand. Meanwhile, Egypt built their 5th wonder. Because I can't even conquer Egypt's neighbor, there's no way I'll get to them and annihilate them completely before the last wonder is built.

                I do think it is beatable as the Sumerians on Sid. It's necessary to trim Babylon, and then go for all civs that have at least two wonders more than you. If they have only one, you can compensate with fighting victory points. (You get them for conquering cities and killing units)
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                • #9
                  Cool thanks for the tech tree. I'm planning to eventually mod the game with a few changed (mainly I'll just add the Assyrians, but I might do a few other things).

                  Beat it on Sid? Wow, that sounds impressive. I guess Enkidu's are really good.

                  IIRC, Warriors are supposed to be 2.1.1 (so the Enkidu is 2.2.1) is that right? What stats do Archers and Bowman get? What's the point of Chariotry?

                  I could bomb you with questions all day, so I guess I'll just wait until I get the game.
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                  • #10
                    I did not beat it on Sid. The Phoenician-Medean alliance made it impossible. If they hadn't signed MPP I might have been able to. I think it is definitely possible.

                    This conquest is probably gonna be one of the toughest to beat on sid, because it focuses a lot on expanding over land, the Civ3 AI's strongest point.

                    Warriors are 2.1.1, Enkidus are 2.2.1. The trouble is that the AI uses warriors for defense quite frequently, which is rather silly, especially when it's being attacked by other warriors.

                    Archers are 3.1.1, Bowmen are 3.2.1.

                    Chariotry is the advance required for War Chariots and Three Man Chariots. Since I was Sumerian, the advance was useless to me.

                    Feel free to ask any questions you want.
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                    • #11
                      That's good for now

                      Although 3.1.1 Archers makes it seem tough to get any defense until Spears (4 techs minimum)

                      What are Spears, btw?
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                      • #12
                        Spears are 2.3.1

                        Hoplites are 2.4.1

                        Phoenician Spearmen (forget its name) are 3.3.1
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                        • #13
                          JW, I love HyperSnap and have a lic, but if you want to avoid the promo banner, get Irfanview. It is free and can take screens from Civ. Otherwise you have to have a lic to not get the banner.

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                          • #14
                            The banner really bothers you that much?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
                              Spears are 2.3.1

                              Hoplites are 2.4.1

                              Phoenician Spearmen (forget its name) are 3.3.1
                              That's what I would have expected. It gives me a few editing ideas as well.
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