Seafaring Civilisations

[Myrddin]

We have confirmed:

Byzantine - Seafaring and Scientific
Dutch - Seafaring and Agricultural
English - Seafaring and Commercial

Seafaring and Militaristic
I'd assume Vikings

Seafaring and Religous
Portuguese?

Seafaring and Expansionist
Spanish?

Seafaring and Industrious
?

[Louis XXIV]

Industrious is probably Carthage (although I don't know why they were), Whether Spain or Portugal is Religious is debatable.

[General Ludd]

Seafaring and Religous
Portuguese?

Seafaring and Expansionist
Spanish?

I would switch those around, personally.

[Spiffor]

Portuguese are confirmed being Seafaring Expansionistic.
I'm actually pretty excited playing with them. With their special caravel (which doesn't sink in Oceans IIRC), they'll be the absolute gods of exploration

I wouldn't bet my money on the Spanish being Seafaring at all. But if they are Seafaring, they'll be obviously Seafaring Religious.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Portuguese are confirmed being Seafaring Expansionistic.
I'm actually pretty excited playing with them. With their special caravel (which doesn't sink in Oceans IIRC), they'll be the absolute gods of exploration

If what you say is true (ie, thePortuguese caravel being immune to ocean tile sinkings)...If I play an island-type map, I just might have to stop playing my beloved Iroquois and turn Portuguese! Though I would hate loosing the "religious" trait....

[G'Kar]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I'm actually pretty excited playing with them. With their special caravel (which doesn't sink in Oceans IIRC), they'll be the absolute gods of exploration
.

If this is true that supercaravel is very powerfull. It's too powerful if the Portugese get it at the same time as normal caravels. If it comes a little before galleons that would be okay.

[Spiffor]

Well, here is what we know about the Carrack:

[Thunderfall] [Zidane] What kind of stat boost will the Portugese UU have over normal Caravels?
[Merepatra_BA] [Zidane] What kind of stat boost will the Portugese UU have over normal Caravels? The Carracks stats are 2.2.3, cost of 40
[Firaxis-Ed] Zidane- Increased attack and the ability to not sink in sea

[Thunderfall] [raen] Does carracks apppear with mapmaking?
[Merepatra_BA] Carracks come with Astronomy
[Thunderfall] [raen] cool, thats rigth with history

[GhengisFarb™]

So its possible it will still sink in Ocean? It wouldn't be that game breaking.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
So its possible it will still sink in Ocean? It wouldn't be that game breaking.

Well, the carrack replaces the caravel, that doesn't sink at sea already. Heck, when Carracks and Caravels get discovered, even the galleys don't sink at sea anymore. I'm guessing Firaxis-Ed just confused both words. "Not sinking in Sea" is not an advantage for a caravel UU.

Besides, the other naval UUs are quite beefed up (Man'o War now enslave, Dromon has lethal sea bombardment and packs a huge punch in comparison to galleys), so the Portuguese UU would be terrible if it continued to sink at Oceans.

[kring]

Here's the answer about Carracks:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1256364#post1256364

quote:
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Originally posted by aaglo
Portuguese:
Since caravel does not sink in sea, what would you say about Ed saying that Carrack does not sink in the sea...


can you find a small mistake there
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Originally posted by Merepatra


Yes, Carracks advantage is that they don't sink in Ocean either.

[Spiffor]

So, the Carrack is really a killer

3+1 moves, no risk of sinking, increased attack... Just imagine how it looks like if you have the lightouse as well. You have an equivalent of any industrial/modern ship (speed wise) as soon as astronomy is discovered

I think I'll really enjoy having my palace in Lisboa in the future

[Fatwreck]

Has it been confirmed that all the trait combinations will be in the game?

[raen1978]

I am very happy Portuguese finally in the game
But as english say(I think) "last but not the least"

They could be commercial, religious or expansionist. So expansionist is fine

Just to clarify, carrack is not a type of caravel. I only hope they are talking about a Nau (real unique unit of the Portuguese) and not Carraca (a boat from same type but not the same)

[Provost Harrison]

Well I presume some of the original civs will be getting reallocated too...so I would suspect that Scandinavians, English and Japanese could be seafaring as well...

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by raen1978
Just to clarify, carrack is not a type of caravel. I only hope they are talking about a Nau (real unique unit of the Portuguese) and not Carraca (a boat from same type but not the same)

I think the Portuguese will simply build Carracks instead of Caravels. I don't think it necessarily means a Carrack is a Caravel.