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    Join us for an exclusive advance look at the new nations in the upcoming expansion pack for Civilization III.


    They're doing profiles of the new civilizations added to the game. So far the Byzantines and the Dutch are up.

    In Civilization III: Conquests, the Byzantines are considered a seafaring and scientific civilization. They start the game with bronze working and alphabet and are able to build the dromon instead of the standard galley.

    Unique Unit: The Dromon


    The Byzantine dromon is a powerful warship.

    Byzantine dromons are a type of galley with an enhanced offensive capability, as it can let loose a hot stream of "Greek fire." The dromon has lethal sea bombardment. The dromon was the end result of Byzantine ingenuity applied to old Greek ship designs. Powered by rowers, its primary virtue was its versatility--the wide, flat decks could be mounted with a variety of weapons. There were many classes of dromon, from light escort and reconnaissance designs to heavy warships. Dromons often included mini-forts made of wood from which marines could sally forth or fire bows, as well as catapults, rams, ballistae, and later, Greek fire launchers. These dangerous and devastating primitive flamethrowers spelled death to enemies in an age where all ships were made of flammable wood and crew were constantly exposed on the upper decks.

    Byzantine dromons are a type of Galley unit which enjoys enhanced offensive capabilities.


    The Dromon is a 2/1/3 Galley.

    In Civilization III: Conquests, the Dutch are considered to be a seafaring and agricultural civilization. They start the game with pottery and alphabet and build the Swiss mercenaries instead of standard pikeman.

    Unique Unit: Swiss Mercenary


    Swiss mercenary units possess powerful defensive bonuses.

    Mercenaries first came to prominence in Europe in the 14th century, when soldiers from the Hundred Years' War preferred to continue fighting for a living rather than learn peacetime trades. Swiss soldiers in particular enjoyed an especially high reputation for loyalty and professionalism, and several European nations incorporated Swiss mercenary regiments into their armies. The Netherlands, in particular, employed huge numbers of mercenaries, since the strength of the Dutch nation was commerce and wealth. This allowed Dutch princes and stadtholders to pay mercenaries well and regularly, which led to extremely effective fighters. The most famous assignment of Swiss mercenaries is the personal safety of the Pope; a special unit of Swiss soldiers, the Swiss Guard, has pledged to protect the Pope and the Vatican for the last 500 years.

    The Dutch Swiss mercenary is an excellent defender that boasts an even better defense strength than the formidable pikeman. A Dutch city must have iron in its strategic resource box to build a Swiss mercenary.


    The Swiss Mercenary is a 1/4/1 pikeman.

    Also included are pics of the new UUs and the leaders for the Dutch/Byzantines.

  • #2
    Good update. Thank you for the links

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    • #3
      Hmmm... Byzantines are scientific and seafaring?!

      As for the Dutch, they've got the wrong William of Orange. They mean the chap who fought the Spanish, not the chap who conquered England. However, they illustrated the latter rather than the former.
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      • #4
        Re: Gamespot's C3C civilization profiles

        Originally posted by ixnay
        The Swiss Mercenary is a 1/4/1 pikeman.
        Thats powerful....
        I wonder how many sheild it'll cost? I'm going to guess 50.


        edit n/m I see it costs 30 sheilds. That sounds very cheap to me. I think this UU pretty much amounts to being able to build Musketmen a few techs earlier, without the need for saltpeter and at half price!!!

        IMO 40 shields would be about right, but then again I haven't played/tester this game....
        Last edited by OPD; October 11, 2003, 06:12.
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        • #5
          The Dutch aren't Commercial? WTF?


          I'll mod this game before playing it, that's for sure.

          Ubersweet UU though, 1-4-1 for 30 shields is pretty kick ass.
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          • #6
            Because the English are Seafaring and Commercial..
            "An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop" - Excession

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            • #7
              the English weren't that commercial. they ought to be industrious (industrial revolution started in England), or better yet, Expansionistic.
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              • #8
                Re: Re: Gamespot's C3C civilization profiles

                Originally posted by OPD


                Thats powerful....
                I wonder how many sheild it'll cost? I'm going to guess 50.


                edit n/m I see it costs 30 sheilds. That sounds very cheap to me. I think this UU pretty much amounts to being able to build Musketmen a few techs earlier, without the need for saltpeter and at half price!!!

                IMO 40 shields would be about right, but then again I haven't played/tester this game....
                Who knows, maybe musketmen would get cheaper in conquests.

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                • #9
                  Hmmm...I don't particularly like this... I like the leaderhead background for Theodora with the Pantokrator, but that's about it. (Has anyone else noted that the leaders themselves seem to be of a lesser quality in comparison with the Hittite, Sumerian, Mayan, and Incan leaders?)

                  The idea of the Byzantines as Seafaring isn't too much of a stretch, I suppose, but it isn't what I would have chosen. Nor would I have suggested Scientific. Religious at least should have been one trait. Commercial the other, perhaps.

                  The Dutch for Seafaring is to be expected, but not for Agricultural. I can only think that the Firaxians think only of tulips, windmills, and ****s in regards to those guys...
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                  • #10
                    I think personally that,
                    Byzantium should be scientific, religious.
                    England should be industrial, sea -faring.
                    Carthage should be commercial, sea -faring.

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                    • #11
                      Obviously everyone has their own opinion of what traits should go with which Civs. Just keep in mind that Firaxis made sure that every combination was represented by at least one Civ - until we see all the combinations it's hard to argue which makes sense and which does not.

                      And then.... there's always the editor. If you don't like it, mod it.
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                      • #12
                        1/4/1, 30 shields sounds like a big deal at first (my initial reaction was Wow!), but it's right in line with many other UUs: +1 to a stat, same cost.

                        -Arrian
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                        • #13
                          Thinking about it, I usually get Gunpowder so soon after Feudalism that a Pikeman UU seems pretty useless. Then again, if there's a lack of saltpeter I guess it would have some utility.
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                          • #14
                            Thinking about it, I usually get Gunpowder so soon after Feudalism that a Pikeman UU seems pretty useless.
                            hardly.

                            a musketman has 2-4-1 stats, and costs 70. The Swiss Mercenary has 1-4-1 stats and costs only 30!! Same defense, for less than half the cost. Sounds like a bargain to me!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arrian
                              1/4/1, 30 shields sounds like a big deal at first (my initial reaction was Wow!), but it's right in line with many other UUs: +1 to a stat, same cost.

                              -Arrian
                              I suppose it's kinda like a hopite for the MA. Although in some ways it may not be as good, 33% increase rather than a 50% increase. But then it cost halfs of what the musket costs compared to th hopite which is 2/3 of what a pike costs.
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