Temple of Artemis : too strong ?

[realpolitic]

Using the luxury slider for a few turns while building temples or poprushing hem or building workers isn't the end of the world. It sounds like TTOA is as important for victory points as its other benefits in the Epic Scenario. Losing the 1000 year bonus in the other scenarios is a big deal too.

[TechWins]

By the Temple of Artemis going obsolete I don't think the temples built from it go obsolete or disappear. I think it means that there will not be anymore temples built from the Temple of Artemis. So every temple that is built from the Temple of Artemis will be the samething throughout the game as building a temple regularly. In this case the Temple of Artemis is a really strong wonder, but if it weren't like this it would be very weak.



Woohoo my first post who knows how long...

[Stuie]

Originally posted by TechWins
By the Temple of Artemis going obsolete I don't think the temples built from it go obsolete or disappear. ....

But I don't think the temples are actually "built", it just functions as if there were a temple in every city.

It's like the Hoover Dam. If you capture it from another Civ, they lose the benefit of a hydro plant in every city, and you gain that benefit. So I'm pretty certain the temples will be gone.

Woohoo my first post who knows how long...

8 1/2 months. Welcome back.

[TechWins]

That could be how it is, Stuie, but I think it will build the temples just like how the pyramids builds granaries. Then once the Temple of Aremis goes obsolete it won't build anymore temples, but the old temples will still function. Won't really know which way until the game comes out.

And thanks for the welcoming back.

[Willem]

Originally posted by TechWins
That could be how it is, Stuie, but I think it will build the temples just like how the pyramids builds granaries. Then once the Temple of Aremis goes obsolete it won't build anymore temples, but the old temples will still function. Won't really know which way until the game comes out.

And thanks for the welcoming back.

No that's not how it works. As soon as the Wonder becomes obsolete the Temples disappear. Only the ones that were built without it will remain. I believe there's already a wonder that works that way, though I can't quite remember what it is. At any rate, I've played with that flag in my mod and that's what happens.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by TechWins
That could be how it is, Stuie, but I think it will build the temples just like how the pyramids builds granaries. Then once the Temple of Aremis goes obsolete it won't build anymore temples, but the old temples will still function.

But remember, on the same line of thought, If you loose the city that has the Great Pyramid, you loose all of those free granaries...So I too believe that once the Temple of Aremis goes obsolete, you will also loose all of those free temples.

Oh, and yes, welcome back Tech! Long-time-no-see.

[TechWins]

Wittlich and Willem, what you two and pratically everyone else seems like what the wonder would be like based off of everything else, but I still don't think it will be like that. All of you are probably right, and I'm probably moreless just hoping that it's the way I think it might be. It seems kind of useless to me if it's the way all of you are explaining. By the time you get done building the wonder you are only going to have temples in a few cities for not that many turns. Then again if it's the way I'm hoping it is then the wonder might be too strong. Eh, either way works I guess.


Yeah, it has been a long time since I've been on these boards. Nice to be back civin.

[Willem]

Originally posted by TechWins
Wittlich and Willem, what you two and pratically everyone else seems like what the wonder would be like based off of everything else, but I still don't think it will be like that.

Almost certainly it will be using the existing flag that builds a structure in every city, like the Sun Tzu now does with Barracks. I don't see why they would add someting new when they already have something in place.

It seems kind of useless to me if it's the way all of you are explaining. By the time you get done building the wonder you are only going to have temples in a few cities for not that many turns.

Yes, but that would give you a big boost as far as your cultural boundaries are concerned. Even if the Temple only lasts for a short while, you'll gain alot of territory quickly if every city in your empire suddenly sprouts a Temple. If you were to go on an expansionist spree while you still have the wonder functioning, you'd have control over a fair amount of land in no time. After all, cultural boundaries never shrink, so you'd still have that benefit long after the wonder becomes obsolete.

[joncnunn]

So far, the other Wonders in Civ III that replace structures never go obsolete. There's no reason that they couldn't allow construction of temples while in possesion of the Temple of Artemis like in Civ's IIs City Walls while in possesion of the Great Wall.

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by joncnunn
So far, the other Wonders in Civ III that replace structures never go obsolete.

Try modding one to go obsolete and see what happens

[Provost Harrison]

That is not a bad suggestion...

[The Mad Monk]

what are you waiting for, then?

[Spiffor]

I just tried.
Just when the Pyramids got obsolete, I lost all my free granaries.

[aaglo]

Exactly.

And may I remind you, that the Artemis may be quite expensive wonder...

[joncnunn]

By any chance did you try building a Granary after building the Pyramids but before they went obsolete?

Originally posted by Spiffor
I just tried.
Just when the Pyramids got obsolete, I lost all my free granaries.