Fall or Rome Scenario?

[Saint Marcus]

Apparantly, there will be a Fall of Rome scenario, as well as a Rise of Rome scenario. Is anything yet known about the Fall of Rome scenario? Which civs will feature in it, what year it will start in, etc?

[Stuie]

I haven't seen anything official yet, except that it is one of the "conquests".

I'm sure that the Romans and Byzantines will be in there... possible other Civs would be Franks, Huns, Vandals, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Saxons and probably Persia.

For a start date I would guess sometime in the 300s AD, which is when the Empire was split in two. But this is just speculation.

[Saint Marcus]

I think the same, though I was hoping for more official details.

Can any of the Atari/Breakaway/Firaxis/Infogrames guys shed some light on this?

Please?

[joncnunn]

That list appears to be missing the Gauls. (Unless it's starting after the Gauls took over Italy and moved the Western capital)

[Saint Marcus]

Gauls? They didn't exist as a seperate nation in those days. They haven't since Ceasar's conquests (with a few shortlived coupes by local generals and chieftains).

[Inhalaattori]

There were no other real big nations than Rome and Persia at that time.

Celts, Germans, Sarmatae, Finno- Ugrian and other "barbarians " lived is small tribes. They although sometimes united against common enemy, like when Armitius and his allied germans destroyed 3 Roman legions in Forest of Teutoburg. Also celts united in battle against Romans, but it was too late, and they were romanized and celtic culture was in most areas vanished.

Gauls? There were no real "gauls" anymore at the time of "Fall of ROme". They were celts, and lived in modern France, but they didnt have anything that could be called as a state. Only thing they shared was most of their religious beliefs.

QUOTE]I'm sure that the Romans and Byzantines will be in there... possible other Civs would be Franks, Huns, Vandals, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Saxons and probably Persia.[/QUOTE]

This list is quite ok. Allthough its missing some important tribes. I still cant see that they could be playable civs. Germans didnt even live in cities.

[Inhalaattori]

Here is some screenshots from that scenario:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=62364&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=1

[Paddy]

either way it sounds like it will be interesting

[Saint Marcus]

hmm...the minimap is hard to see...

- Sassanids (yellow)
- Celts (green) (the Picts in Scotland weren't Celts though)
- Romans (red)
- Byzantines (brownish)

Crete seems to be light blue, different from Turkey. Seems odd...

the 3 cities on a more or less horizontal line in central Europe are most likely the capitals of 3 tribes...Francs, Lombards, Allemans, Marcomans...Goths weren't in those areas in those days. Ukraine is unsettled...no Goths or Huns?

Of course, the scenario might start in the 420s, with Goths in Gaul and Vandals in Iberia. However, I can't really make out any different colors in France or Spain. Also, the Romans were no longer in Britain in the 420s.

If you invert the image (make a negative out of it), the cities in Italy appear to have a different color than those in Spain and France. I'm probably just seeing things though, seems odd to have Romans in Britain but not in France.

Since the makers of C3C are mainly concerned with showcasing the regular civs in the game, one can assume they'll just focus on the 31 from the epic game. So I'm going with Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Celts as main civs. And some minor civs, or just "barbarians". Though, if the Celts get their own civ and cities, why not the others as well? The Goths were a lot more developed than the Celts in those days.

Can of the Atari guys shed some light on this?

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Since the makers of C3C are mainly concerned with showcasing the regular civs in the game, one can assume they'll just focus on the 31 from the epic game.

Not necessarily true. Look at the Sengoku conquest - there aren't ANY epic-game Civs in that one. And Mesoamerica includes the Olmecs, Toltecs, and Moche as "AI only" Civs. So there's hope that they will do this right.

Can of the Atari guys shed some light on this?

I get the feeling we're going to have to wait for a Designer Diary... or maybe even for the game itself.

[joncnunn]

Actually they made the scenerios first, and chose the new civs fpr the epic game from the scenerios.

[Jeff_ATARI]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
I think the same, though I was hoping for more official details.

Can any of the Atari/Breakaway/Firaxis/Infogrames guys shed some light on this?

Please?

Hi guys,
There will be a designer diary on this subject, and that will unveil more of the details.

But the basic idea is that Rome has a western half and an eastern half, in a locked alliance, and if either side loses 5 cities (that's right, it's a multiple city version of Elimination), then Rome loses.

I haven't played it since midway through the beta, but I remember starting as one of the barbarians coming in from the northeast. You receive 3 or 4 settlers and a whole bunch of horseback units to kick start your siege. It promises to be a lot of fun. Hang on, the developer diary will show more.

Best,
Jeff Foley
Atari

[Saint Marcus]

yay! thanks Jeff, your reply is much appreciated, and I'm anxiously looking forward to the designer diary!

[joncnunn]

Sounds to me like in a Single Player game, the human should play one of the barbarians. (Losing the game because that other half of the Roman empire controlled by an AI allowed 5 of their cities to fall sounds potentially frustrating.)

Originally posted by Jeff_ATARI

Hi guys,
There will be a designer diary on this subject, and that will unveil more of the details.

But the basic idea is that Rome has a western half and an eastern half, in a locked alliance, and if either side loses 5 cities (that's right, it's a multiple city version of Elimination), then Rome loses.

I haven't played it since midway through the beta, but I remember starting as one of the barbarians coming in from the northeast. You receive 3 or 4 settlers and a whole bunch of horseback units to kick start your siege. It promises to be a lot of fun. Hang on, the developer diary will show more.

Best,
Jeff Foley
Atari

[Saint Marcus]

plenty of room for me to make my own version, MP and all.