New City specialists

[Panag]

Originally posted by skywalker
It shouldn't be that way though. Especially for food. Look at it this way:

In the US there are many industrial cities on the east coast. Most of the entire region is given over to industry, not agriculture. On its own, it doesn't produce enough food to support itself and its huge industrial mass. However, with food from other areas, especially the Great Plains, the breadbasket of the US, it can support that population and hence its industrial power.

hi ,

, agreed maybe we should have the food trade from civ II again , aldo way more improved , ......

have a nice day

[Johann Moritz]

Originally posted by Vince278


I apologize. I should not have used our two letter state postal codes in an international forum where some may not be familiar with their usage.

Don´t worry. It´s always fine to learn new things

[Jon Shafer]

I think the reason you can't move food is for balance reasons. Otherwise just build a city with mountains completely filling the radius and you have insta 150 production from the city.

We all know what big producers those Himilayan cities are.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

You're right, Trip, but there are OTHER ways it could be balanced!

1) Only cities connected to your via the capital can get food transfers.

2) Food transfer would only be allowed with the APPROPRIATE tech-something in the Mid to late Middle Ages, for instance.

3) Limits on the amount of food an individual city can transfer and/or recieve!

4) Limit the number of tiles between transfering cities!

This way, you would still need at least SOME food producing capacity for that city, of it's own-at least early in the game!! Also, you will need low production "bread Basket" cities to compensate for the type of cities you just mentioned!! Yes, it could still become exploited or unbalanced-but that can be said for a number of features already existing in the game !!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Trip
I think the reason you can't move food is for balance reasons. Otherwise just build a city with mountains completely filling the radius and you have insta 150 production from the city.

We all know what big producers those Himilayan cities are.

Actually, look at it this way. If you build mines in those mountains, you are going to hire people to work in them. They will have to live in the city. The city will then import food. If you build LOTS of mines, you'll have a huge population and a huge food import.

[joncnunn]

Cities in the civ universe or more like regional administrive centers. Unless your dealling with US Civil War or Revolutionary War scenario, you wouldn't found cities in both Washington, DC and Baltimore, Maryland, but would just found the one in DC and let it grow to evenually cover Baltimore.

Yes, large areas of the North East produce some sort of food. Varies by area including: graneries, fisheries, game. In that region, locally grown is usually insufficent to feed the population though, and in almost all areas of the US, including the midwest there's some importing of food from other regions to balance out dietary diets. (For instance, orange trees don't do well in the midwest; too cold in the winter.)

For that matter, England still has some large agricultrual areas, but they have to import food as well.

[Vince278]

With everyone importing it makes me wonder - Where is all of the food really coming from?

[Johann Moritz]

Vince278, it comes from countries like Argentina (this country helped Spain a lot in the 50´s whenever there was shortage of grain). Lots of African and Asian countries also have food excess, but they can´t sell it to rich countries ´cause these subsidy their own farmers! In the European Union there is a huge deal of money spent on keeping the farmers working just to keep them from extinction, and the same happens in the USA: These countries do have food excess in spite of spending much more money than if they just bought that food to poor countries.
Seems like they enjoy saying they have farmers just for having them, as many regions would bankrupt if farming became a non-profitable activity.

[Kuciwalker]

The US has a food surplus because of our huge agricultural regions.

[Johann Moritz]

...subsidied in a great part by the State, thus preventing wealth from going to poor countries. The same happens in the EU.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Kaiser Wilhem
...subsidied in a great part by the State, thus preventing wealth from going to poor countries.

I don't get the connection between the two.

[Kuciwalker]

Kaiser: lame troll, and it belongs in the OT. Don't feel too special about yourself.

[G'Kar]

Skywalker, it wasn't a troll. It was a valid point which came up in the course of a civ conversation.

Originally posted by Vince278


I don't get the connection between the two.

Industrialized countries spend US$300 billion a year subsidizing their farmers to keep them in business. Consequently, Third World farmers (who have a comparative advantage in many agro products) can't sell their produce profitably to the first world. In fact many developing countries import food from the First World because it's cheaper, but this puts their own farmers out of business.



As for food/shield transfer, I don't think it will work in civ3. Civ would have to convert to a more CTP-like system.

[Vince278]

I would think that goods from the third world are cheaper since production costs and labor are cheaper. Also, nobody subsidizes a wider range of products than some EU countries. I suppose thats how trade wars get started.
I agree this subtopic is OT as well but in an attempt to bring it back would (or should) it be possible to model subsidizing and trade wars in Civ? I think it could be done if they would include true stock markets (like the Bourse and Wall Street) in the game (ie trading luxuries and resources on the open market). That would open up a whole new level of strategic possibilities.

[G'Kar]

Originally posted by Vince278
would (or should) it be possible to model subsidizing and trade wars in Civ? I think it could be done if they would include true stock markets (like the Bourse and Wall Street) in the game (ie trading luxuries and resources on the open market). That would open up a whole new level of strategic possibilities.

It would open up new possibilities but I don't think it can be modelled in the current Civ game. Currently, all business is basically state controlled and there's no role for "real" stock markets.