Most of the recent discussions concerning new civilizations on these boards have revolved around adding civs from south east Asia or Africa. While I agree that it would be nice to add Mali and Khme, there is one civilization that I think deserves inclusion: the Poles. There is only one Slavic civilization in the game (Russia), and Russia does not represent the Western Slavs. I think that either a Polish or a Pan-Slavic civ representing Western Slavs(Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Lithuanians, etc) deserve serious consideration when discussing new civilizations.
Why should they be in? Well, the Poles and other Western Slavs played a major role in Europe from the Middle Ages up to the present day. From around 1575-to around 1700 Poland was arguably the most powerful force on the continent. The Polish army halted the expansion of the Ottomans in 1683, and nearly conquered Russia. Culturally, the West Slavs have been influential from the Slavic participation in the reformation all the way up to Solidarity movement and the fall of the Soviet Union.
This is an interesting Polish history website:
Overall, I feel that the Poles are as justifiable as the Portuguese, Dutch, Khmer, etc. Some may argue that there are too many European civs. On a world map, Western Europe is crowded, Eastern Europe is relatively empty, and besides, Eastern European peoples have a cultural heritage that is different from those of Western Europe. Besides, Poland would be a perfect civ to launch the new agricultural trait with. On a final note, there are millions of Poles/ Western Slavs in the US/Canada, and Slavic Civ 3 fans would probably love to be able to play as the Poles.
My ideas for a Polish civ: Leader: Casimir the Great (1333-1371)? Stefan Batory (late sixteenth century)? Lech Walesa?
Traits: Religious & Agricultural
Cities: Capital:Warsaw
Krakow,Lodz, Wroclaw, Lublin, Posnan, etc. (if strictly a Polish Civ)
Bratislava, Ljubjana, Brno, Plzen, Prague, etc. (if a pan-Slav civ)
UU: Either the Hussars, the elite Polish Cavalry of the Seventeenth Century, who would replace Cavalry and get an extra movement point at a slighty higher cost, or an upgraded Musketman with an extra defense point (Polish infantry was known for its rapid rate of fire)
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Why should they be in? Well, the Poles and other Western Slavs played a major role in Europe from the Middle Ages up to the present day. From around 1575-to around 1700 Poland was arguably the most powerful force on the continent. The Polish army halted the expansion of the Ottomans in 1683, and nearly conquered Russia. Culturally, the West Slavs have been influential from the Slavic participation in the reformation all the way up to Solidarity movement and the fall of the Soviet Union.
This is an interesting Polish history website:
Overall, I feel that the Poles are as justifiable as the Portuguese, Dutch, Khmer, etc. Some may argue that there are too many European civs. On a world map, Western Europe is crowded, Eastern Europe is relatively empty, and besides, Eastern European peoples have a cultural heritage that is different from those of Western Europe. Besides, Poland would be a perfect civ to launch the new agricultural trait with. On a final note, there are millions of Poles/ Western Slavs in the US/Canada, and Slavic Civ 3 fans would probably love to be able to play as the Poles.
My ideas for a Polish civ: Leader: Casimir the Great (1333-1371)? Stefan Batory (late sixteenth century)? Lech Walesa?
Traits: Religious & Agricultural
Cities: Capital:Warsaw
Krakow,Lodz, Wroclaw, Lublin, Posnan, etc. (if strictly a Polish Civ)
Bratislava, Ljubjana, Brno, Plzen, Prague, etc. (if a pan-Slav civ)
UU: Either the Hussars, the elite Polish Cavalry of the Seventeenth Century, who would replace Cavalry and get an extra movement point at a slighty higher cost, or an upgraded Musketman with an extra defense point (Polish infantry was known for its rapid rate of fire)
Any thoughts or suggestions?
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