Civs in Civ3: Conquests

[Azeem]

The Mayan Javelineer might be a replacement for the archer unit since Mayans did not have very effective archers (contrary to Age of Empires II ) although their Javelins and Atl-atls were extremely deadly.

[Louis XXIV]

Here's what I think

Mayan Javelineer 3.1.1 replaces Archer

Incan Scout 0.0.3 Treats Mountain as Grassland

Endiku Warrior 2.1.1 Warrior replacement (could be quite powerful)

Some kind of Light Chariot that is 1.1.3.

[volsang]

I don't know if it will happen, but it would be good to have some Empire for Central Africa. Because there is like this big void between Eygpt , Carthage and Zululand.

[Azeem]

They should really include Nubia, the Bantu, and/or the Mali Empire in the expansion. If they have Nubia, they could replace the archer unit with their famed "Archer of the Eyes".

[Tassadar500]

Who thinks the Hebrews are in?

[Quasar1011]

Originally posted by volsang
I don't know if it will happen, but it would be good to have some Empire for Central Africa. Because there is like this big void between Eygpt , Carthage and Zululand.

Yeah, that void is known as the Sahara Desert

But seriously, TeTurkhan has a mod that appears as a scenario on PTW. He has included the Abyssinians (Ethiopia); and if I recall correctly, the Songhai, which was a west-Africa empire back in about the 1300s, centered on Timbuktu. The Ashanti is another such empire that could be included for Africa.

From a website:
Ashanti, pronounced uh SHAN tee, are the largest and most powerful ethnic group in the West African country of Ghana. The group's name is also spelled Asante. Most of the approximately 1 1/2 million Ashanti live in south-central Ghana in the Ashanti Region. The capital of the region, Kumasi, is the second largest city in Ghana.

Songhai empire was a black trading state in Africa that reached its peak during the 1400's and 1500's. Songhai began during the 700's, and by the 1400's had more power and wealth than any other west African empire. It extended from the central area of what is now Nigeria to the Atlantic coast and included parts of what are now Burkina Faso, Gambia, Guinea, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, and Senegal. Gao, the capital, stood on the Niger River.

Songhai became powerful chiefly by controlling trade across the Sahara. Most of Songhai's people were farmers, fishers, or traders. The traders exchanged gold and other West African products for goods from Europe and the Middle East.

Two kings, Sunni Ali and Askia Muhammad, strengthened the empire more than any other rulers. Sunni Ali ruled from 1464 to 1492 and began a unified system of law and order, central government, and trade. His army conquered Timbuktu and Jenne, two West African trading centers. Askia Muhammad, also known as Askia I or Askia the Great, became king in 1493. Songhai reached its peak under his rule. Askia reorganized the government, expanded trade, and encouraged the people to practice Islam, the religion of the Muslims. His three sons deposed him in 1528. The empire ended in 1591 when a Moroccan army defeated the Songhai in the Battle of Tondibi.

A link to an article on the Abyssinian empire can be found here:

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9912/ancientabyssinia.html

[Virdrago]

For African civs I think, if they do have one (or more), either Songhai or its predecessors, Mali and Ghana, would be one, and Abbyssinia/Ethiopia. I'd personally also like to see the Moroccans (Moors), at points in time they conquered Spain, Portugal, Tunisia, Algeria, and ended the Songhai Empire.

What about South-east Asian countries? Cambodia (the Khmers) were pretty powerful early in Western Medieval times, and Burma, Thailand (Siam) and even Vietnam could also be included as possible civs. If you add the Koreans you have to add either the Khmers or Siamese.

As for Canada... being a Canadian, I'm happy without them. I just change the Iroquois to the Canadians and pretend their UU is a stone-age Mountie

I'm glad they'll add the Hittites, Mayans, Incas, and Sumerians, though. I've used other civs and changed the names to be all of them at one point or another.

Other possible civs:

Harappans (Indus civilization)
Franks, Portuguese, Dutch (though I think there are already too many European civs)
Assyrians (though the Middle East is getting crowded, they were the world's first major empire)
Etruscans (see Franks)
Ku****es

[Virdrago]

Nuclear Master:

I don't know, but if Atari is doing a "cradle of Civilization" scenario like they seem to be implying, the Hebrews might be.

[Tassadar500]

I doubt the Franks or Dutch will be in.

[Azeem]

Virdrago, the Harappa civilization is the predecessor of the Indian people. The Franks are also the French, who are already in CivIII. Unless only for scenario purposes (such as the Harappa for an Ancient Age scenario or the Franks for a Middle Ages scenario), it's quite useless to have an older form of the same civilization.

As for the Dutch, they could be a possibility for Europe. They did play a significant part in European history.

[History Guy]

Franks are already in.

Israel, by rights, should be in, but I am beginning to suspect that they won't be included after all.

Let's face it, the Sumerians, the Incans, the Mayans, and the Hittites hardly had half as great an influence on the shaping of the modern world as did the Israelites.

[Wittlich]

I concur HG.

[BandicootMan]

Alright..I love Civ 3, bought PTW the second day it came out...

but if Israel is not included, I wont buy this XP, regardless of any other great things it might include.

(Plus, it coincides with my final year of high school, so maybe I shouldn't, anyways.)

[Tassadar500]

UGH Franks are in. Isreal better be in. They have impacted the world more then the Mayans But it may be political reasons why they wont.

[Virdrago]

HG, how do you know Franks are in? Or is it because they are basically the proto-French?