The Great War - Creation Thread

[civ2units]

Beside my two scenarios about the American history I´ve updated a World War I scenario I´ve made long times ago. This scenario includes many weapons which have to research by the player. The scenario is designed to give the player as much freedom to play his own history as possible.

Only conquering important cities will occur a historical event.
Current scenario progress:

Customized techtree: 100 % done
City placement: 100 % done
Icons & wonders: 100 % done
Unit stats: currently working on
Events: 0 % done

Below are two screenshots from the year 1914 :

Western Front



Middle Eastern

[McMonkey]

We should have a race to see who finishes first . I haven't got a tech tree yet and that will be a major undertaking. At present my scenario is just a side project, but if I think I can make a decent scenario out of it I will probably press on. I really wouldn't expect to make a single player version, at least not until I have played a multiplayer game of the scenario to see how it works out.

[civ2units]

Oh, I didn´t know that you are also working on a scenario about WWI. I´m sure if me make a race you will win it.

I´m a too perfectionist when creating a scenario. Everything has to be perfect. And this means much work when I look on my other two projects

[curtsibling]

Could be an idea to create a "front" terrain, to represent trenches, etc...
It would have high defence to make sure high casualties occur!

This terrain could be changed via events when key cities are captured.

It's a concept I was going to explore in my ToT version of "Kaiser"...

[GhostOfDisco]

Ironically enough, I recently made a graphics update for the MGE version of Kaiser (I'll need to upload it first, of course.)

I've always wondered if I could break the trench stalemate and end the WWI better - this is one scenario I'll be watching!

[civ2units]

The front terrain makes sense. I will include it as I have one free terrain square.

@Ghost:
Could you send me or upload the files, please?

[McMonkey]

civ2units

I have been brainstorming ideas for my multiplayer game. I will post some of them in the thread I opened when I get a moment. Feel free to borrow anything you find useful. My biggest concern was getting trench warfare to work and getting the unit movement rates right.

BTW: Metz was German controlled in 1914. They captured it during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71

[civ2units]

Great, thanks MCM, I´m sure I will find good ideas for my own scenario.

Oops, I´m from Germany and I don´t know it. You´re right, the whole province Elsass-Lothringen went to Germany after the Franco-Prussian War. I will correct this.

[McMonkey]

You weren't there at the time so you can be excused

[civ2units]

For some reason I´m very happy not have to live during this time.

I´ve made a front terrain icon which can be maybe graphical modified. When I´m using the "change terrain" order does it also have effect on the next terrain graphics? What happens with the river, which goes through the front by using the "change terrain"?

Western Front with front terrain

[McMonkey]

The terrain will change but the river will remain.

I don't want to piss on your parade, but don't you think the map is a bit too small? The whole war could be over in a couple of turns, surely.

I am using my tried and trusted European map. I know it is a multiplayer game and the AI does better on small maps, but the screenshot I have posted (obviously still a work in progress) illustrates the advantages of using a slightly larger map. Well thats my personal opinion anyway

[civ2units]

I know, you like large maps and I totally agree with you that they are very good for multiplayer games. But as you say, the AI is very stupid on those maps. And I´m creating a single player game only.

Believe me, I´m trying to make this one very hard to win. I don´t make the same mistakes like in my Civilwar scenario, which is obviously too easy

My map covers whole europe. If i´m using your map, which is more detailed, I have to cut off all parts which I don´t need, i.e. Italy, North Africa, Spain.

I´ve attached a savegame from my game where you can see the dimensions of the map. Currently I´m very happy with it.

[Elensar]

I have a couple questions.

1) How long is each turn? A month? A week?

Depending on how long it is, you should probably have movement kept very far down (maybe even the default movement rates or worse - I'd do cavalry and tanks as 2, infantry and artillery as 1 if things are really close together)

2) How are you representing the United States?

Having (if this is for ToT) a seperate map for North America would be appropriate, but I'm not sure how well it would work in the game.

On the issue of map size, I think the first map (Civ2units's) is too small. If the trenches are broken, there's no time to react before they take Paris - even if unit movement is at the rates suggested.

Just a thought, there.

[civ2units]

I have a couple questions.

1) How long is each turn? A month? A week?

Each turn will represent one month.

Depending on how long it is, you should probably have movement kept very far down (maybe even the default movement rates or worse - I'd do cavalry and tanks as 2, infantry and artillery as 1 if things are really close together)

Highest movement rate for ground units will be 2 (Cavalry only). All others have a rate of 1. All strong units will be very expensive, to avoid a unit rush and overrunning of the enemies.

2) How are you representing the United States?

I don´t represent them. The British Empire will get American reinforcements later in the war, depending on how good the human player plays his game.

Having (if this is for ToT) a seperate map for North America would be appropriate, but I'm not sure how well it would work in the game.

No, I don´t want to include them via a seperate map. The Americans didn´t play such a major part that they have to be represented. If I do that, I should also include an extra map for Africa, Asia, etc...

On the issue of map size, I think the first map (Civ2units's) is too small. If the trenches are broken, there's no time to react before they take Paris - even if unit movement is at the rates suggested.

I´m also thinking on beginning the scenario in 1900 and let go it until 1920. It should be something between build up an empire and conquering the world. I´m only using the WWI as background. So I think, the map is big enough.

Just a thought, there.

Thanks very much

[GhostOfDisco]

The Kaiser scenario (with my update of the city, unit and terrain graphics) can be downloaded here.

I've always had a problem with infantry units having a movement rate of only 1, as it severely limits their ability to attack.

On the note of map size, if you want a map that's not too big for the AI, how about Ostfront's map (I'm using it for Red Storm) True, it's very big, but about half of it is taken up by the Atlantic - just slice it off to have only Europe (you can still call in American forces via events) and hopefully the AI can handle it. (Wait, didn't the infantry only have a movement rate of 1 in Ostfront? Oh well...)