Is anyone making a European-Based WW2 scenario yet?

[Willhelm II]

...I so want a European based scenario with the immense playability of 2194 days of war...

Don't say 'go make it', because I simply don't have the time in my life... I'd much more inspire some other great designer to take on the challenge.

I SO CRAVE A GOOD EUROPEAN BASED WW2 SCENARIO FOR CIV2

[battosai]

You know Thoddy's WW2 Europe ?

[kobayashi]

WWII Europe Map scenarios (MGE) are practically the most commonly made scenarios

Even I made one, Zweiter Weltkrieg

more recently there is the Blitzkrieg series by Eivind
WWII Europa recently released by Werd

then there are various 2194 Days of War vintage ones like

Paul Cadwell's World War II
Michael Jeszenka's Third Reich
John Petroski's Ansteig
Harlan Thompson's World War II: The European Theater

[Sarsstock]

Heck the first scenario that ever showed me the true potential for modding Civ II was a WW2 scenario, the original 2194 Days of War by Alex and Nemo. Even seven years later that game can still impress.

I could be mistaken but I think that was the first scenario to ever really include graphically altered terrain, people, cities and icons in addition to the amazing units.

[MacGalleo]

I prepare also a scenario on the second world war in Europe.
With the beginning, it owed a campaign as in “redfront” by playing the british ones. But I think of not being good still enough in scenario design for this kind of scenario. Also, I move towards a version in multiplayer. I should not be long in proposing a version beta.

[McMonkey]

If you have a copy of ToT I would highly recommend my new Fortress Europe Beta I am looking for a playtester so I can put the finishing touches to it. It is totally playable. If you are interested

[Case]

I highly recomend Harlan Thompson's WW2 in Europe scenario - the graphics are now totally dated, but it's probably the most playable scenario on this topic.

(as an aside, I consider 2194 Days of War to be an unsuccessful scenario - it's woefully inaccurate and almost unwinnable for the Allied civs)

[AGRICOLA]

Back in the prehistoric days (2002) when I hung around at CFC, I took a shot at Harlan Thompson's WW2 in Europe scen and hit a bunch of snags.

The following is an abbreviated and slightly edited list of problems that I e-mailed him about.

1. Is this supposed to be a non-nuclear scenario? At the start all 3 major powers have End Tech (others) which makes atomic bombs and ICBM's obsolete (i.e. you can develop the technology but cannot build the unit). Consequently, only the minor states can actually go nuclear. The README file suggests that nukes should be in play.

2. Is the Katuysha supposed to be a low tech version of a land-bound cruise missile with a range of 16 (all terrain)? I would consider it equivalent to artillery, movement = 1 and no special off-road capability.

3. Is there any chance that the Tiger and Panther tanks have been reversed, both in performance and prerequisite technology? Tiger was the heavy armor with low movement, Panther was the medium tank built as a response to the Russian T-34.

4. Landing Craft become obsolete once Submarine Advances is discovered early in the game and the Axis lose all amphibious capabilities.

5. I can only find 5 cities in North America where technology can be stolen. The README file suggests that there should be 6.

Otherwise, the scen is fun and plays very well indeed.

[Patine]

I had started 'Rise of the Third Reich,' where you play Germany from Feb '33, but it's gotten majorly snagged since. It'll have to wait till more important releases (like EotRS and KW) are finished.

[Willhelm II]

Originally posted by Patine
I had started 'Rise of the Third Reich,' where you play Germany from Feb '33, but it's gotten majorly snagged since. It'll have to wait till more important releases (like EotRS and KW) are finished.

I think you should start in 1936. Most of the important events leading to WW2 happen around this time, from the Anchluss to the immense rise in german re-armament.

33 seems too clumsy for me to be honest, yes it would be fun to simulate the Rhom Purge in a WW2 scenario, but it's not that important from a gameplay perspective.

Think 2914 days of war!

[Case]

I made a WW2 in Europe scenario which started in 1936 ('Appeasement and Agression'), but it was never really finished - I released it as a beta version a few years ago containing some serious problems. I agree that 1936 is an excellent starting point for scenarios on this topic.

[Willhelm II]

Case, we should work on something dude... contact me:

symbol_of_truth@hotmail.com

[Case]

I've given up on creating Civ 2 scenarios - sorry.

[McMonkey]

I have always wondered what would have happened if the leaders of Britain and France had more resolve during the Munich crisis of 1938 and had gone to war then.

I have an interesting book called 'More What If?' which looks at alternative outcomes to major historical events. One chapter covers this very subject. The argument is that Germany was not prepared for war in 1938. It did not have enough tanks, planes, artillery or trained men to fight on one front and defend on another. However Hitler was determined to go to war with the Czechs.

The Czech army had Maginot line-like defences along its mountainous borders. It had its own arms industry churning out planes, tanks, artillery and small arms, all of a good quality. In fact much of its equipment fell into German hands and equipped many of the divisions that invaded Poland and France. The Czechs also had more planes than the Germans, though slightly inferior.

Although the Czechs may not have been able to hold out forever against the Germans, they could certainly have kept them occupied while Britain and France (+Poland, possibly) mobilized and launched an offensive into the industrial heartland of Germany.

I would like to cover this myself one day, either as a Europe wide scenario (like WWII Europa) or as a scenario focused on the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, a kind of hold out until the French and British save you game.

Unfortunately I do not have the time to make such a game right now but I would enjoy discussing how it (or similar concepts) could work. The major problem, as ever, is the 7 civs + barbarians limitation!