New scenario idea

[civ2units]

I´m thinking about to make a remake of the classic "Age of Discovery" scenario which comes with Microprose´s Conflicts in Civilization CD.
My scenario will be in TOT format. Because I like scenarios were you have to build up an Empire, there will be three, maximum four major European nations.

I saw that there are some really good Discovery scenarios out here (all for MGE) so my question is if you would like to have a TOT Age of Discovery scenario?

[BillyBud]

I can understand the attraction of TOT from a designer's point of view, but personally, I prefer MGE for a number of reasons. And I only play MGE scenarios.

[Von Bert]

As you said.. there are already some for MGE.. so maybe it would be good a new one for TOT, considering that there are not so many scenarios for TOT around ..
I have both..MGE/TOT, so im happy anyway...but not anybody have.. so .. is good that you make a POLL..in this "customer care" era..

[curtsibling]

ToT all the way - !

Please go ahead with this plan if you feel into the era of discovery.

[civ2units]

Thanks for your opinions.

Here are some of my ideas for this scenario.
Unfortunately TOT is limitted to only seven civs. So I decided to use the following nations:

France
England
Spain
Portugal

Asian Alliance
(Including China, India, Japan and Indonesia)
Aztecs
(They will represent all Native Americans)
Neutral Alliance
(All other European Nations and the Ottoman Empire)

The Neutral Alliance should be a frontier between the Europeans and Asia like in the original game from Microprose.
I know that the Dutch build up a colonial Empire but they didn´t exist in 1492 when my scenario begins. Because of the limitted to only seven civs I decided not to use them.
In this scenario you have to build up a colonial Empire with one of the four European civs. Research techs will be important, also the wonders. In this scenario you can change your government. You can research better weapons and better units.

I´m looking now for a good world map. The original one from Microprose looks for me like a good one.

The four European nations will be the major civs. Eventually I will give the Aztecs a chance for winning the colonial wars against Spain and Portugal.

[Gagliaudo]

Originally posted by civ2units
So I decided to use the following nations:

France
England
Spain
Portugal
Asian Alliance (Including China, India, Japan and Indonesia)
Aztecs (They will represent all Native Americans)
Neutral Alliance (other European Nations and Ottoman Empire)

In this scenario you have to build up a colonial Empire with one of the four European civs. Research techs will be important, also the wonders. In this scenario you can change your government. You can research better weapons and better units.
The four European nations will be the major civs. Eventually I will give the Aztecs a chance for winning the colonial wars against Spain and Portugal.

Reasonable choice
(even if I don't use TOT... but.. who knows... better and better scenarios for tot, to... )

[civ2units]

I´ve played long time the classic Civ2 MGE until I found a cheap version of TOT on Ebay last year.
When I only think on the graphical or events possibilities, these are much more better then MGE (my opinion).

I also played Civ3 and Civ4 but each time I came back to Civ2. For me the best Civ ever.

Here are something about my new project:

I will disable negotiations between the Europeans and the Aztecs. During the centuries of colonization there was a bloody war against the Indians. How would it looks like if Cortez and the Conquistadores landed in Mexico and made an Alliance with the Aztecs and fights against France or England...

The Europeans can research better units during the time which will replace the old ones from the beginning.
Also there will be no negotiation between the Europeans and the Neutral Alliance. They will have peace all together (I know, it isn´t historical correct) but you will have to concentrate of colonization the world.
The Asian Alliance could be a trade partner for Europe. It´s you choice. Trade with them or make war with them.

In the scenario you can change your government.
Also the wonders will play an important part in this scenario.

These are my first ideas for the scenario...

[Von Bert]

Nations ? good.. as we have only 7...
but.. i will miss the "orange" Holland.. i like play them..

[Turno]

Originally posted by civ2units

Aztecs
(They will represent all Native Americans)
...

I disagree on calling them Aztecs. First they called themselves Mexica. An Aztec was - and is, 'cause they are still aliove as tribe - a Mexicatl.

Second, i think it is inappropriate and unfair for the other great pre-colombian civs, such as incas or mayans.

Why don't you call them Native Americans or Mesoamericans or Precolombian Americans?

[Gagliaudo]

... call them AtzIncaya... o MayIncAtzec...

well... this won't solve the problem... what about IroquoiSiouxApaCheyeNezForezc etc etc... ?????

[Turno]

Originally posted by Gagliaudo
... call them AtzIncaya... o MayIncAtzec...

well... this won't solve the problem... what about IroquoiSiouxApaCheyeNezForezc etc etc... ?????

Now... to call them Mayncaztecs may sound pretty weird - and not only in italian, where do you find the rhymes, you cheezy poet?

Why not Amerindians? Pretty neutral isn't it?

[Gagliaudo]

too europecentric: "Indian"..."American"...
let's call them "Native", and stop our crazy shots

[civ2units]

@Von Bert:
I can understand you but the Dutch became much later a Colonial Empire. If there were any possibility of using more then 7 Civs I would include them.
In 1492 the main colonial nations were Spain and Portugal, a century later France and England too.

You´re right. I like the ideas of Native Americans or only Native. I will think about it. But I don´t use Mayncaztecs or IroquoiSiouxApaCheyeNezForezc...

[Gagliaudo]

Originally posted by civ2units

In 1492 the main colonial nations were Spain and Portugal, a century later France and England too.

civ2units: it begins in 1492... and it ends in ???

But I don´t use Mayncaztecs or IroquoiSiouxApaCheyeNezForezc...

... white man, Great Spirit will punish you for this!!! augh !

[civ2units]

Originally posted by Gagliaudo


civ2units: it begins in 1492... and it ends in ???



... white man, Great Spirit will punish you for this!!! augh !

Hm, good question. The original game ended in 1775 with the American declaration of independence. I think I will do the same. Every turn will be one month. Enough time to build up a powerfull Empire.

I hope that the Great Spirit would be happy if I give the Natives a chance of winning the colonial wars against the Europeans...