NWO pbem#2

[Nilat]

Russia

The cease-fire in Chechnya continues peacefully and as a part of the terms of the negotiations, the city og Grozniy has been demilitarised. Any Chechen attack on Grozniy prematurely or by Chechen terrorists will result in the extermination of independence negotiations and the continuation of the war.

President Putin wishes to create a defensive force in Uzbekistan with the People's Republic of China. This defensive coalition will ensure the independence of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan from any foreign, or domestic attacks (we just occupy the airbases and have 2 fighters, one transport plane, one paratrooper and infantry per airbase). One airbase for Russia, one for China. This will not be used in offensive means and we are proposing this also to improve the Russo-Chinese relations.

Russia has a neutral stand on the war in Iraq. We merely want to warn the United States not to impose its imperialism in Europe, Central Asia or indeed Russia.

[Eurisko]

The western allies are up.

[Arthedain]

Sorry for the delay guys, totally forgot about this one!



* Turkey, Britain and Poland declares war on Iraq. Their intentions are to help fight terrorism in Iraq. It seems like the Americans got the situation under control, Turkish and British troops are on red alert to assist. American troops are free to use the base (presently under your control) near Izmir).

* I know Russia didn't do this on purpose, Russian freights are of course free to pass the Bosporian strait, BUT there will be no blocking of the strait from now on. Not by any nation (except for Turkey itself).

* As a sign of friendship between Turkey, Cyprus and the EU, Turkey has finally decide to withdraw from Cyprus, and let the island unite, on terms that there will be democratic elections.

* Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are very positive about Chinas new directions. We hope we can further increase the cooperation in the area.

* Fightings in Colombia! Colombian troops stationed in the northern parts of the country quickly rushed to aid Bogota and annihilated the FARC rebels outside of the city. Rebels

remain outside of the the southern base though. Colombia urges America to increase its awareness in the area to prevent a catastrophe from happening (=FARC occupying Bogota).

* Rebels in the Phillipines have assaulted Davao. The defence quickly responded with attacks on the rebels and could annihilate them with minor casualties.

That's about it I guess. Game on!

[ISeeALL]

Neutral cities captured: Lahore, Carachi, Colombo, Dhaka. No wars on any other nations are planned.

Emugod: My Paratrooper, Helicopter and a Mig landed on an airbase near Rangoon. They are not for attack on you, but on Neutrals.

[academia]

Originally posted by ISeeALL
Neutral cities captured: Lahore, Carachi, Colombo, Dhaka. No wars on any other nations are planned.

The United States has no complaints about the annexations of Colombo and Dhaka. However, we are concerned about the capture of Pakistan.
Be careful India... someone might not like that agressive expansion.

For the time being, the USA is interested in listening other nations opinions about the pakistani issue.

[Eurisko]

What the hell?

Are we going to play this game with some realism or with unsanctioned all-out assaults?

I personally would prefer if we could play this a bit more realistically.

China will of course NOT accept any shift in the balance of power in Asia.

There will be consequences unless India immediately hands all muslim lands back.

Colombo can be accepted, but Pakistan and Bangladesh must remain independent.

And of course both nations must be given money for their losses.

[Nilat]

ISeeAll, imagine this game actually being the real world in 2004 and think about the consequences of such an action. Try to destroy all your previous images of vanilla civ2 in which diplomacy is merely a few clicks with "Consequences, Shmonsequences" as you obviously are thinking right now.

If you decide to stick with your sudden imperialist foreign policy, consider yourself in a SERIOUS crisis with Russia. We are now giving independence to peoples who used to be under oppression and now we see an oppressive action by India and shall not tolerate it. The Russia military has been put on alert on the south Russian border to possibly move to liberate Pakistan. If you do not withdraw from there in 2 months, consider yourself in war with Russia (in Pakistan only).

[Nilat]

Originally posted by Arthedain
* I know Russia didn't do this on purpose, Russian freights are of course free to pass the Bosporian strait, BUT there will be no blocking of the strait from now on. Not by any nation (except for Turkey itself).

I am so sorry about this! I thought you could use Istanbul to move your stuff. I didnt want to block Istanbul. Wont happen again, I hope Russia apologises for it's irresponsible action.

[academia]

Originally posted by Eurisko
What the hell?

Are we going to play this game with some realism or with unsanctioned all-out assaults?

I personally would prefer if we could play this a bit more realistically.

China will of course NOT accept any shift in the balance of power in Asia.

There will be consequences unless India immediately hands all muslim lands back.

Colombo can be accepted, but Pakistan and Bangladesh must remain independent.

And of course both nations must be given money for their losses.

he has the freedom to do it. obviously, russia, china or someone else can do something to punish india.
feel free to attack india then

let´s try to keep on playing. this could become an interesting crisis. let´s wait the indian answer

[ISeeALL]

Originally posted by Nilat
ISeeAll, imagine this game actually being the real world in 2004 and think about the consequences of such an action.

The whole idea keeps surprising me. Actually I thought that all other players attacked the Neutrals (which are Barbarians, am I right?) in their first turn, and that the scenario is designed with so many cities given to barbs just to let players expand easily in the beginning.

I can't understand the idea of role-playing in a strategic game. It's like I would want to play chess and say "in 1960 there was no WW3, so no side is allowed to take enemy pieces and even enter the opposite side of the board without permission". This removes the whole sense of turn-based zero-sum game and replaces it with quest-like role following.

But since there are more than 2 people already threatening with attack, and in this scenario both are much stronger than India, India agrees to return the cities to the Neutrals in the next turn. Though I can't think how this AI nation would do that cuz it doesn't have any units around.

If no one has fun with war in Civ2 I won't spoil the game for the others and will behave peacefully.

[ISeeALL]

btw, what is the goal of a PBEM game in Civ2? I think this is the point I have a wrong picture of. I know that FUN is the reason why we play this, but what is the formal goal which a player should try to achieve?

[academia]

Originally posted by ISeeALL
btw, what is the goal of a PBEM game in Civ2? I think this is the point I have a wrong picture of. I know that FUN is the reason why we play this, but what is the formal goal which a player should try to achieve?

yes, i totally understand you. sometimes, i feel that everyone wants to mantain the status quo and live "happily ever after".

but in this case, i´m the creator of the scenario, so let me tell you that you have the freedom to attack whoever you want. there are no rules against it.
the only thing you have to bare in mind is that your neighbours may react in an agressive way.

If no one has fun with war in Civ2 I won't spoil the game for the others and will behave peacefully.

i have fun with war in civ2!! take a look at the other nwo pbem, i´m constantly asking for action. but nobody reacts... i don´t know.

seriously, why can´t we have limited wars in this game?
i´m not talking about nuclear holocaust. what´s the problem with having a limited war in pakistan for example?
like russia vs. india?

[EmuGod]

The Struggle Continues...



GAM Troops Seize Medan, Declare Aceh's Independence
MEDAN - Since December of 1976, the GAM separatist movement in Indonesia began its activities. The group's goal was to create an independent statein Aceh, Indonesia. The 35,000 strong army of Indonesia was broken this month after a large scale rebel offensive which utterly crushed the government forces, allowing rebels to sweep through the province and seize the large city of Medan. The shocking ferocity and success of the GAM assaults have caused confidence to be shaken in the Megawati Sukarnoputri regime. Indonesia's economy took a substantial hit on the world market, with mass panic gripping investors and the population.

In Stockholm, the exiled leaders of GAM, group founder Hasan di Tiro, his chief deputy Zaini Abdullah, and Malik Mahmud have hailed the offensive as "a great victory" and have called for the international community to recognize the Aceh movement as a nation state. di Tiro claimed that his group was ready to end the fighting against Indonesia, so long as the government agrees to recognize Aceh's independence and agrees to set the permanent boundaries. di Tiro also appealed to the United States, European Union, China, Russia, and India to support Acehnese self determination and to prevent further Indonesian aggression.

The Indonesian government has entered an emergency session, but it appears as though it has been permanently weakened.

Other News
In other news, an insurgent attack lightly damaged American armour in Iraq, with some casualties and damage to equipment reported.

Refugees from Iraq have flooded into Syria and Iran, with those governments calling on the United States to help stop the tide of Iraq civilians leaving the country.

[Eurisko]

Originally posted by ISeeALL


The whole idea keeps surprising me. Actually I thought that all other players attacked the Neutrals (which are Barbarians, am I right?) in their first turn, and that the scenario is designed with so many cities given to barbs just to let players expand easily in the beginning.

I can't understand the idea of role-playing in a strategic game. It's like I would want to play chess and say "in 1960 there was no WW3, so no side is allowed to take enemy pieces and even enter the opposite side of the board without permission". This removes the whole sense of turn-based zero-sum game and replaces it with quest-like role following.

But since there are more than 2 people already threatening with attack, and in this scenario both are much stronger than India, India agrees to return the cities to the Neutrals in the next turn. Though I can't think how this AI nation would do that cuz it doesn't have any units around.

If no one has fun with war in Civ2 I won't spoil the game for the others and will behave peacefully.

Nope, I doubt that anybody attacked the neutrals.

And yes, if you ask me, NWO is more of a rpg-scenario. If you want all-out war with nothing but land-grabbing, there are other scenarios such as 2194 around.

Oh, and there are other ways of waging war. It doesn't always have to be a full-blown all out assault, you could also participate in UN missions against, for example, rogue takeovers of other countries in Africa.

Of course taking cities is not forbidden, but think about what would happen in real life if India decided to expand this aggressively. Not only, but in civ 2 itself you shift the balance in your favor, which is obviously not what others want to happen.

Btw, I think you can use civcity or another tool to give the cities back. For all I care you could also give Bangladesh to the rogues to simulate the likely sharia government which would emerge after such a collapse.

Originally posted by ISeeALL
btw, what is the goal of a PBEM game in Civ2? I think this is the point I have a wrong picture of. I know that FUN is the reason why we play this, but what is the formal goal which a player should try to achieve?

Changes from PBEM to PBEM, and depends on your game style. You could for example settle with winning as many proxy wars as possible and controlling much of the third world in a cold war PBEM without an all-out nuclear attack on the other side.

Or you could dominate trade and thus establish a global hegemony due to technological superiority as is possible in scenarios like Imperialism 1870.

Of course all-out war and direct global domination is possible and sometimes even the main goal in scenarios like 2194.

In the end it also strongly depends on what you want to do.

[academia]

And yes, if you ask me, NWO is more of a rpg-scenario. If you want all-out war with nothing but land-grabbing, there are other scenarios such as 2194 around.

i don´t feel that. i feel that NWO have lots of rpg, but as i said before, if a player wants to start a war, he can do it. i´m not going to ban him for that.
it may be weird... but he can do it. for instance, in the other nwo game, i was using north korea and i nuked tokyo. i also think that it´s unreal and stupid, but i wanted to bring some action to the game.

again, what´s the problem with india´s expansion? if you don´t like it just go and try to stop him!! that´d be fun.