Barbarian irregularities

[:) Smiley]

Continuing to fine tune, test, and document Pax California, and came across some barbarian issues.

1) ships appear even though mobile warfare is acquired by some civs.

note: the civs were given the tech via cheat menu when setting up scenario. maybe this is why it doesnt register?

2) supposedly, gunpowder is needed for industrialization-activated barbarian rebels to appear. However, I have gunpowder taken out of the tech tree, and the unit in the musketeer slot shows up nontheless.

Fortunately these are not huge issues, I've figured out ways to adjust the game, in ways that make it even more challenging.

Reference:

http://sleague.apolyton.net/Guides/sldt_barbtechs.shtml

[techumseh]

I've had similar issues in Warlords of China. Removal of techs that are supposedly triggers for new types of pirates does not stop them from appearing. William Keenan's tip on the Cradle site seems incomplete.

[Timor_Leste]

Re: Barbarian irregularities

Originally posted by Smiley
supposedly, gunpowder is needed for industrialization-activated barbarian rebels to appear. However, I have gunpowder taken out of the tech tree, and the unit in the musketeer slot shows up nontheless.

Wow. Is there a certain point when the musketeers appear?- maybe they are linked to something else, like another tech. For instance, I had read that the Modern-era cities are activated with two techs. Maybe gunpowder's the same? Another possibility: removing the tech sabotages the normal pattern outlined in the Barb paper, and so the game resorts to throwing the Musketeers in at the begining- assuming that's what's happening.

The Barbarian paper suggests a possible way to get around this issue: "[I]f Gunpowder is discovered prior to Iron Working then huts will continue to produce Archers until Iron Working is discovered at which time Musketeers will be produced skipping Legions altogether."