23 city limit for computer opponents

[thespus666]

I've had a problem with all my computer opponents. They won't expand beyond 23 cities apiece, making them far too easy to beat. It's been many months since I've played so I may have the precise number wrong but it was close to that. This didn't vary depending on total cities, so it's not a reflection of the hard-wired 255 city limit. Any ideas or modifications to suggest??

[-Jrabbit]

The AI's strategic limitations render any attempted fix a moot point.

[thespus666]

thanks for responding

thanks

[La Fayette]

Which limit ?

Welcome thespus666 !
I have never heard of the limit you refer to.
For example, have a look at the WW2 scenario: the Russians have 31 cities and the Axis has 24, at the beginning of the scenario.
Have a try

[Elephant]

A scenario does not help in determining if the AI player won't build more than 23 - the scenario creator probably put those cities there. Letting an AI civ get very large has not been a problem in any of my recent games... even playing OCC I've rarely seen more than 12-15 max. Would be interesting if anyone has a save of a random start, single player game where an AI built 50-100 cities.

[-Jrabbit]

I can't recall ever seeing more than about 18 cities on a large map, but then again, I've never had any interest in letting the AI grow unabated.

Isn't there some sort of behavioral definition for an "expansionist" AI?

[thespus666]

Thanks for the replies

and welcomes.

[Elephant]

Yes, there is Expansionist versus Perfectionist, like the English compared to the Persians. Perhaps Thespus could start a test with the Romans, French (or Vikings), Spanish, English (or Greeks), and Mongols (all relatively aggressive Expansionist civs) on a large map with large islands. Choose Green or Cyan as the human color and leave the other color unused. Play a One City Challenge but don't launch the spaceship, just watch the AI civs develop (but squash any efforts to build Manhattan Project).

Hmmm, might be fun for a week in bed with the flu...

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

There is no 23 city limit that I am aware of. On gigamaps, I've seen AI nations with 40+ cities fairly often. Check some of the saves in any of the longer-running gigamap succession games - you'll see plenty of large AI empires.

I suspect that AIs with the 'expansionist' trait are only limited by the amount of terrain they can easily reach.

[Theben]

Conquests will put them over. IIRC I've seen at least 1 time where the Russians had 31 cities on either a normal or large map.

What map size & land mass are you using?

[Julius Brenzaida]

I am definitely sure there is no such limit.

Besides why would it be 23

256 cities (1 for none units), 2048 units, 8 civs (including barbarians), etc.

I think you get the picture

[atomant]

This is my latest game, am playing a lazy conquest thingee. the egyptians def have more than 23 cities. therefore the limits are artificial.

Save game attached as evidence

[thespus666]

I've been using the large maps Never tried the gigamap thing. Might be a solution for me.

[Bloody Monk]

I have seen many instances of greater than 23 cities for the AI. Try usuing Zulu, Egyptian, Mongols for example.

Monk