HOTW4.0 Out of Charcter Thread part III

[Rasputin]

Ok last one hit >500

Please continue discussion here...


past thread for info

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2729698#post2729698

[Frank Johnson]

I don't care for your tone Ras. You seem like you don't want this game to go on? If I suggested a ban on diplos/caras, what really makes you think an ancient unit is going to pass that same test when we're talking about paratroopers?

Just remember, I don't HAVE to do anything. You act like you can prove one thing or another.

This is just becoming another case of a diplo game where the fun has left it. The argument itself is reason enough to quit, much less having to listen to your pathetic ranting of how you extract joy from serving deity.

I find it very unlikely that there is any intregrity remaining in this game. While diplomaticly I flashed signs of war, it was a limited and defensive one, with no time table. In return, total dimanteling of my military or my whole land burns? I will just start making new accusionations I can't prove, but I don't believe this game has any integrity anymore. I don't believe the events before were merely luck.

[deity]

If you want to talk about 'tone' Frank I think I've been incredibly restrained with you unfair allegations against me and the 'tone' you have used. I've tried to respond in a measured way.

[Frank Johnson]

All the tone is for you is, cheating is ok, and do whatever you have to to win. IF you can mislead people about the rules, and the nature of the game, thats all the better.

Ill be leaving now. This is sad, to see the majority of players misled the entire game, only to have the game end up like tihs. I've talked to everyone about it. And given their responces, none of them wanted a game like this, except for Deity and Raz who are locked into positions defending themselves.

We are playing a 8 year old game with many bugs and flaws. That is why I believed that the burden was on us, as players, to regulate ourselves and our actions, to maintain a fair gaming environment, since we can't expect the game to do it for us.

[deity]

I posted lots of warnings in this thread about the end game and people not getting upset. Everyone acknowledged how the end game operates. It's the civ we love. It's great to win. Tough to lose, but it's just a game. I'm trying real hard to accomodate the situation regardless of the fact that I know I have done nothing wrong. I want to maintain friendship with all you guys and particularly Frank. So, I'll go back to the beginning of my turn.

As far as exploiting game mechanics goes:
* I used limted guiding. I did not need to but it save time. Guiding was not banned at game start. Most I've played use diplo guiding.
* I rush built a lot on the last turn. Everyone rush builds.
* I used a lot of Engineers to rush a railroad extension. Everyone does this and it is an investment that many players make in having lots of Engineers.
* Unit bribe and Unit & City ceding were specifically allowed in this game.

So, how is this exploiting game mechanics?

This is what Civ is!

If I used it effectively why I am being treated like this?

I've praised many players for effective strategies they've developed (Makeo, atawa, Markus, Nappy, MarkE, etc) and learnt from them.

If there is no city limit you have a huge grey area about what consitutes a reasonable attack and sorry, I can't see what that reason is. I play Civ to win. I prefer SS victories but because of who I am or something I get drawn into wars. If I go to war I leave no doubt about it. I'm not a galah! If I just took one Chinese city what would Frank do next? Now, think about that.

[Zylka]

regardless of the fact that I know I have done nothing wrong.

keep the act up

oh btw guys - I also used wait command on tiremes which wasn't techincally banned to colonize half the world on early resource. I truly know I did nothing wrong

[Zylka]

PS - "This is the civ we love". Now doesn't that make everything better??

[deity]

Originally posted by Zylka
keep the act up

oh btw guys - I also used wait command on tiremes which wasn't techincally banned to colonize half the world on early resource. I truly know I did nothing wrong

We agreed on Rah Rules as our backstop Zylka. I obeyed Rah Rules:
Wait command on triremes is banned. Diplo guiding is not....

There is no act to keep up. I'm not sure what else I can say.

[Zylka]

Well I didn't know RR was agreed upon
Messt planning, boys

[Zylka]

I will unfortunately have to support continuation of this save and D's actions on the technicality of RR dipguide conclusion. Even I'm surprised to now see it listed as legitimate; and since you agreed on those rules as backup - that's what sticks.

Still lingers as a stain of character for you D - especially when "Mr. World Diplomacy" has been so convincingly feigned in past games and instances. What a shame this action lay contrary to all dipomacy fantasies you so openly stood for.

[Berzerker]

I just read the quotes from the last thread wrt our discussion about guiding and I see that I requested all guiding be banned. But then I withdrew that request so I can't hold Deity guilty of any rules violation.

Did we discuss guiding after my last quote? If not, and I can't remember one way or the other, then Deity played within the rules as far as I'm concerned. Hell, did Deity even take part in that discussion? I don't see anything from him even acknowledging a discussion of a ban much less agreeing to it...

*sigh* I better go back and read the threads...more work...

[Berzerker]

Damn, can someone link the rules thread?

[deity]

Ok, I like Raz idea to replay my turn with just him me and Ljube plus Frank before the next session.

I'll repost Azande demands and we'll take it from there. It is entirely possible that the current situation will be repeated.

[Ljube]

It is also possible that your demands will be accepted this time.

[OzzyKP]

With all the bad feelings now, I doubt Frank would be any more likely to accept the peace deal.